What is your definition of TRA?

[Betweenthe2]

Just curious, I am have always read this as someone who is an activist for trans right, but I feel like it is sometimes used on here for anyone who isn't fully GC. What do you mean when you say it?

Someone who advocates for Gender Identity to be prioritised over Biological Sex socially, legally and/or linguistically.

That. And hasn't got anything to do with being trans, by the way. It's more about people who want to use the idea of 'trans' as a tool to gain power, and/or manipulate people, threaten people, coerce people. I can think of many of the worst 'trans rights activists' and none of them are trans.

Men in balaclavas screaming and spitting and attacking women who dare to gather in public - 'antifa' trans activists. Men on Twitter threatening/disapproving of women who dare to speak out in the public square - beardy bloke trans rights activists. Politicians who use accusations of 'transphobia' as a means to oppress and suppress and censure women - see LGBTQIA wings of Labour/SNP/Rainbow Greens etc.

anyone who believes in gender identity
anyone who believes TWAW and TMAM
anyone who puts pronouns in bio
anyone who thinks children can be trans
anyone who supports stonewall or mermaids

Anyone who has 'pronouns in bio', repeats mantras such as TWAW etc.

On mumsnet, if you're not gender critical then you're a TRA. There is no in between.

I use it for anyone who is outspoken on gender ideology; seeking to promote it or enforce it - and who dismisses or negates its impact on women and children.

Not really. As in, I don’t believe this is a correct representation.

However, if you are activating to have gender priorititised above sex instead of activating to find an equitable solution, or you are on MN scolding feminists for campaigning for the rights of female people to not have their protections and opportunities now include any male person or just scolding feminists in general, then it just might be that you are an extreme TRA or you are mimicking their tactics and terms and coming across as an extreme TRA.

i would recommend to someone that if someone calls you a TRA, maybe ask why instead of reacting by being offended. It might be that you have inadvertently acted like one.

This.
Or in some cases even if you are GC but not GC enough.

A TRA to me is someone who believes TWAW and actively campaigns for them to be treated that way.

I can see the common theme but some people mean actual activists and others mean anyone who believes TWAW. Can you see the difference?

A post 2 posts above you says

anyone who believes in gender identity

That supports @Bringbackthebeaver@Bringbackthebeaver post.

I'm not sure that is true. Many, even most, people have no idea about gender ideology.......it is only those who actively seek to promote or enforce it; via closing down discussion; by policing pronoun use etc; by using words like 'transphobe', that I would classify as a TRA. That would include my own MP and quite a number of others....though certainly not all MPs.

A TRA teacher is someone who goes out of their way to teach gender ideology/theory, as fact, in school. A public TRA mouthpiece/ally might be Billy Bragg, Owen Jones, Ash Sarkar, Lorraine Kelly...anyone who makes a point of embracing trans ideology and negating/denying its detrimental impacts.

To me it's anyone who promotes Gender Ideology by using the jargon/using wrong-sex pronouns, TWAW etc or attacking people who refuse GI.

People who won't challenge the lies and brainwashing do an equal amount of damage but I can sympathise with their position to an extent and wouldn't class them as TRA.

using wrong-sex pronouns,

This stood out. Many people who consider themselves gender critical will use pronouns that people ask for as a courtesy. Would you really describe these people as Trans Rights Activists? Seems like a sure way to alienate people who are broadly on your side!

I would say that's becoming less common among ppl who refer to themselves as GC (which I don't, because I don't feel a need of a label to describe someone who just states the truth) but it sort of depends how it's done? If someone goes out of their way to push wrong-sex pronouns on others and then I would call them a TRA, if they're using them for the sake of a quiet life I would put them in the second category I outlined in my first tweet.

I'm not sure what you are angling for here?

Personally I wouldn't go out of my way to use pronouns as a " courtesy" at all. For me, such terms of reference are something that are negotiated between two people in an existing relationship - not something that should be expected or enforced. Courtesy goes two ways.

Depending on the situation, trying to enforce or minimises the damange of preferred pronouns can be TRA.

The media could argue that referring to eddie izzard as she is just polite, but it does reinforce the idea that izzard is a woman, or wants to be seen as a woman, or we should see izzard as a woman.

The same applies to everyday social interations. If someone in a group trys to shame everyone into calling a man she, they are trying to influence how everyone sees that man. That is activism.

The post you refer to is also rather accurate. Because people who believe there are ‘trans children’ for instance usually tends to be someone who is fully supportive of gender identity. Rather than merely believing that people who have declared a gender identity should have the right to believe in their identity, but not the right to insist that everyone else believes or even treats them as the sex they want to be.

And seriously, anyone at this stage wholly supporting all the work that Mermaids and stonewall do without question or reservation at this time is probably ideological in their support or have missed the many reports of the over reach and the issues within those charities.

There are plenty of people who don’t fit the feminist view point but who also don’t fit the extreme trans activist view point but will use pronouns and will do other things without believing that those activists are right to push to subordinate sex and to prioritise gender where sex actually matters.

There are also plenty of people who don’t post to shame feminists who don’t agree that people get to demand compliance to treat others as they demand to be treated, but still choose to use pronouns etc for their own motivations. It is not either / or as the poster indicated.

What do you believe the term to mean OP?

I am not angling for anything. I was just asking a question about what the poster said.

I have always taken it to mean someone who is an activist for trans rights.

So this would be someone who perhaps lobbies in that area, or has a social media account dedicated to it, or who runs an organization to do with it etc.

This.

Not all Trans people are TRAs
Blair White for example, Miranda Tardley, Rose of Dawn, all transsexual, all get targeted by TRAs for calling out shitty and threatening behaviour.

Most people who just casually support people's rights to dress how they choose and love who they love aren't TRAs - unless they are donning balaclavas and screaming in women's faces or pouring urine on themselves. Threatening to rape JKR etc.

TRAs are the unhinged biology deniers who threaten, accuse, set up witch hunts. But if also include Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson in as the "acceptable faces" of the TRA movement as they actively promote the religion of trans kids and try and pretend that JKR is Voldemort now.

A misogynist / handmaiden, a zealot for the cause, who lacks or fails to apply the skills necessary for critical thinking. Simple.

I would have thought that labelling women who disagree with you as handmaidens is pretty mysogynist ...

I would class it as those supporting trans rights over women’s rights whether overtly or not. For example pronouns in social media bio, following ‘celebrity’ TRA cheerleaders, Dylan Mulvaney etc on Insta. Liking events that prominently display the TRA flag etc.

try and pretend that JKR is Voldemort now.

This made me chuckle

I always saw it as "Trans Radical Activists", the more extreme end that sees every question as a slur and goes out of their way to tell everyone how your view is wrong (doxxing and the like).

i know many trans rights activists and they are much more reasonable!