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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Reports Roz Adams successful in her action against Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre

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LargeSquareRock · 19/05/2024 23:09

https://x.com/journalismseen/status/1792305714595012730?s=46&t=f8U9xaap9RM6pcBCdpsFIA

Excellent news and looking forward to seeing the judgement.

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musicalfrog · 20/05/2024 05:09

Oh this is amazing. Congratulations Roz 👍

AutumnCrow · 20/05/2024 05:32

Kettle on. Reading glasses on. Eyes down ...

Thank you, Ros, for taking this on. You climbed a mountain for all of us.

GenderBlender · 20/05/2024 06:04

That is rather splendid. I did manage to listen in to some of this one. It was indeed Kafkaesque, particularly regarding how to mention or not mention the sex of a very clearly female NB colleague.

Given this and the fact that key witnesses did not show, I hope she gets aggravated damages.

MurielThrockmorton · 20/05/2024 06:29

Great news! I wonder whether there's anything in there that will help Sarah in Brighton. Though I presume (but not certain) that it's not at a level to be binding on other decisions. Will read the whole thing later.

OvaHere · 20/05/2024 06:40

Great news. Another win for sanity and reality.

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/05/2024 07:02

And not on the BBC website even the section on news from Scotland - but they do find space to tell us Castlemilk has a milk shortage in some shops

IamSarah · 20/05/2024 07:02

Oh wow this is brilliant news! Well done Roz Adams.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 07:05

fromorbit · 20/05/2024 00:58

Congrats to everyone. When do you think the TRAs will give up lying about biology? That they are bigots towards people? How many cases have they lost now?

I think someone said it is over 30 when you include all of them.

I'll put this on the thread for court cases. I've not counted, but there are many!

PronounssheRa · 20/05/2024 07:07

Great news.

Do I recall correctly that Mridul Wadhwa didn't give evidence and it was left to the women at ERC to face court and defend the actions of the organisation?

PronounssheRa · 20/05/2024 07:09

Also it's appalling that women are still having to go to have to court over and over again at great expense because they are being discriminated against or bullied in the workplace.

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/05/2024 07:13

Yes @PronounssheRa MW and NC didn't appear and it was left mainly to very young and inexperienced Board members to defend ERCC. As the judgement notes their evidence was all about how MW had no involvement but the tribunal didn't believe them

Persianpuss · 20/05/2024 07:18

I can't see any coverage of this on the main news sites except for front page on The Times. Not even the Daily Mail.

Isn't it odd that The Times gets it on their front page while eg the BBC and Guardian haven't covered it anywhere at all?

PronounssheRa · 20/05/2024 07:23

Thanks @Chrysanthemum5 I thought so, I raised an eyebrow or two that the boss couldn't be bothered defending the organisation, and sent some very inexperienced people instead.

PriOn1 · 20/05/2024 07:27

This judgment is astonishing in its damnation of the respondent: more than I would ever have dared to hope for.

I’m particularly pleased to see that Mridul Wadhwa’s callous and careless words are coming back to haunt him.

To Mumsnet, if this post is reported for misgendering, please consider the fact that this man has and is denying women their rights, both to employment and also to women who need care following rape. We need to be able to say what he is.

wantmorenow · 20/05/2024 07:41

Amazing outcome. Thank you Roz.

Ramblingnamechanger · 20/05/2024 07:44

I notice that before all this happened , a certain Maggie Chapman had left ERCC. Was it THAT Maggie Chapman? Explains at least some of the extraordinary capture of a service set up for women. I cannot see how it can continue to operate with the same personnel in place. And the whole non binary debacle was so crazy….

KohlaParasaurus · 20/05/2024 07:44

Good news. Superb work, Roz Adams. I hope all rape crisis centres are now examining their own position.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 07:44

Ramblingnamechanger · 20/05/2024 07:44

I notice that before all this happened , a certain Maggie Chapman had left ERCC. Was it THAT Maggie Chapman? Explains at least some of the extraordinary capture of a service set up for women. I cannot see how it can continue to operate with the same personnel in place. And the whole non binary debacle was so crazy….

Yes, the very same. Chapman has since left, though.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/05/2024 07:44

Exactly @PriOn1 plus MW has no GRC and is therefore legally male

disclaimer: GRC are obviously a load of bollocks because no one can change sex

theDudesmummy · 20/05/2024 07:44

Judgement totally ignored by the Guardian, despite them having previously covered the case. How is that acceptable journalism?

GrumpyMenopausalScathingWombWielder · 20/05/2024 07:48

PronounssheRa · 20/05/2024 07:07

Great news.

Do I recall correctly that Mridul Wadhwa didn't give evidence and it was left to the women at ERC to face court and defend the actions of the organisation?

This is what being an ally is all about. According to the prevailing narrative within activist circles. Those behind the very idea of asserting gender woo trumps reality won't defend their position but demand 'allies' do so on their behalf instead. So women are tasked to defend the harassment & discrimination of a woman at the instigation of a man who claims to be a woman.

ValueAddedTaxonomy · 20/05/2024 07:49

Haven't finished reading the judgement yet, but one thing that I found striking was Roz Adams' training in non-violent communication and her very coherently expressed desire to find a way of talking about the issues that was genuinely respectful to all parties/positions and genuinely constructive.

She wasn't simply trying to find a way to air and accommodate 'gender critical beliefs', she was offering to be part of a wider and more deeply humane conversation in which everyone would feel more deeply accommodated and respected - on the basis of having discussed things more honestly and intelligently.

It struck me that for people with trans identities it must be exhausting to feel (or be told) that your acceptance in an organisation has to be founded on suppression, control and dishonesty. Roz was literally offering a way past that, and hoping to bring her specialist training to bear in order to help facilitate mutual understanding.

She had been able and enthusiatic in her support of trans people in portions of her career, her motivation was plainly non-transphobic, and she had specialist skills that would have enabled her to be part of a solution, and yet still she was hounded. It is hard to thik of a clearer illustration of the fact that, for some individuals, there is simply NO interest in anything other than total capitulation to a situation in which there is forced performative validation of an extreme TWAW position.

Ramblingnamechanger · 20/05/2024 07:51

I am worried that the tribunal said that it was necessary to use people’s preferred pronouns in a work situation… extended this would also mean in court which is very relevant when women are obliged to call there rapist she. And MW was referred to as she throughout the hearings. Still a lie.

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