Reports Roz Adams successful in her action against Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre

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https://x.com/journalismseen/status/1792305714595012730?s=46&t=f8U9xaap9RM6pcBCdpsFIA

Excellent news and looking forward to seeing the judgement.

More likely one of the more sensible ones who wants to distance themselves from it.

Good Lord, what an absolute load of shit IW has put out there.

ThreeWordHarpy · Today 15:23

Yes, IW’s summary of events makes me wonder if it is even the same court case.

Aye, Botox Chucky and the truth have never walked hand in hand.

Perhaps the twiXers could get a community note put on it. It's probably as well, for IW, that Roz is likely sick of legal action.

It is hard to tell what is going on with the Board, as there is such a high turnover at the best of times. Katie Horsburgh left at the start of May.

They are left with:
Carolyn Fox MacKay - appointed June 22 - Charity Worker
Gracie Lee - age 23- appointed May 23 - Compliance Coordinator
Molly Little - age 26 -appointed May 23 - Lawyer
Naimh McCrossan - age 27 - appointed April '21 - Student Sabbatical Officer
Mairi Roscoe - appointed June 22 - Fundraiser

I suspect they (Guardian, BBC et al) monitor social media in the hope that no one notices, and finally give in only when it would be too blatantly obvious they are avoiding reporting a news story.

Sometimes with the BBC it feels like there's a fight behind the scenes, and different journalists trying to see what they can get away with. Health stories by journalists who are trained to understand science are often unequivocally clear and talk about women giving birth, having periods or ovarian cancer etc. They don't use any transactivist wording at all. Meanwhile LGBTQ+ themed stories probably written by special LGBTQ+ reporters follow all the GI wording where you can't mention people's sex and so on. When a story like this breaks you can imagine one side arguing it's important news and the other complaining it's transphobic and must be suppressed. They probably have to have a meeting with the top editors to decide what can be given the go-ahead.

(Then if they do report it, IME they appease the pro-GI writers by letting them do another puff piece about a transitioning child or famous successful male. Bet you anything that appears in the next day or two.)

It's an odd way to carry on instead of having a single editorial policy.

I have just waded through the entire Judgement it is absolutely damning (clearly IW has read something entirely different or just cannot understand plain English).

What I find really appalling though is how those in the higher echelons of ERCC and those who work there are prioritising themselves and their belief systems over the traumatised women they are supposed to be working for, with and on behalf of. It's repellent.

I'm not trying to mean but a 23 year old compliance coordinator, a fundraiser, a student sabbatical officer (what is that?!) - are these people with enough experience to be on the Board of Directors of a big charity? Or are they just people who can be pushed around by MW...

Happy to be corrected but I thought the board was supposed to be made up of experienced business people or those with experience in the industry who could give guidance etc.?

Please, get it right. The judge was “stuffy and traditionalist and made their mind up before the case began”. Everyone else is transphobic. 😉

It states here that Katie and Miren are the ones who have resigned.

archive.ph/S6qgL

Good. The tribunal judge said that Katie was the most dogmatic and hardline adherent to gender ideology among the witnesses.

You absolutely need a mix of people on a board, the wider the mix the better. I served on the board of trustees of a charity when I was in my thirties. I was the youngest there by a generation and asked to join because I could bring in new energy and new thinking rather than “this is the way we’ve done it for the last twenty years”. However I was also experienced in other voluntary areas (where I got to know the board member who recommended me) and a manager in my professional life in a big corporate, so used to a lot of the concepts around governance, accountability etc. I learned a lot from the other board members, I think it worked out very well all round. But I would never have understood the role properly without those very experienced old hands passing on their wisdom.

No you’re not wrong, a charity board should have ppl with enough skills & experience to be responsible for the charities strategy & hold the ceo to account

they simply don’t have the level of skills & experience required to do their job. The charity turns over in excess of £1 million and has a decent sized staff team. Their behaviour over this case demonstrates for a start they know fuck all about HR, the equality act, implementing & managing grievance & disciplinary processes

As well as being stuffy and traditionalist, also, according to IW:

"Despite all the evidence and testimony of staff, the tribunal judge rules IN FAVOUR of Adams, giving a summary which reeks of their own transphobia (basically talking about 'Gender Ideology' being not believing in sex."

Can we assume that the 'their' here refers to the judge. Who is therefore reeking of transphobia?

Tricky things, pronouns.

The Telegraph have published a long article with quotes from a JKR twiX thread at the end

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/20/trans-boss-scottish-rape-charity-heresy-hunt-employee/

https://archive.ph/OB0v4 someday we'll be over this rainbow 🌈

As the article notes ERCC have released a statement but no apology.

Hopefully MW is reflecting on bigotry.

Yes, it should be. I mean, you can never be 100% sure in advance about the result of a court case, but this is straightforward. As to why SSN haven't caved, "the process is the punishment". Plus the unshakeable conviction of their rightness, bad legal advice, thinking they are the victims bravely bullying a rape survivor and badmouthing her all over TwiX and social media.

Hoping that an apology is given to Beira's Place for the description given by ERCC. I'm sure the Capitalist and White Supremicist JKRs league beagles have taken note....

I missed that, being so caught up by “despite the evidence” when the evidence was so clearly in Roz’s favour.

I think IW has outsourced IW’s reading of the court judgement to someone else and IW is just repeating what IW has been told.

Re: the resignations from the board - two young women thrown under the bus as cheerleaders for MW. I do wonder how they will eventually look back at their time as trustees in a decade or two... One can hope they will come to their senses.

Of course as adults they're responsible for their own dogmatic beliefs and testimonies but they also have blatantly been used by MW.

There is a version that does not give GI primacy over sex. I mean, I may have got Cass's belief wrong, but it is theoretically possible to believe in GI in the same way that people believe in chakras or astrology. The overreach and rights grab and men in women's prisons is not an inevitable, logical consequence of belief in GI. You can believe that the reason a tiny number of dysphoric people (of any age) are dysphoric is because their GI is incongruent, while also believing that sex matters. That's the crucial difference. You would know that the "woman" inside still has a male-sexed body and therefore does not belong in women's single-sex spaces. You would not support self-ID because it is a medical matter. Etc, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=FLhGaL9F7HqXBWpG&v=McQvl9vkM6E&feature=youtu.be

BBc Scotland report.

Surprise! Katie is involved with GirlGuiding!

That’s another thing. If you were centering your service users, and were already struggling to resource and meet their needs, surely you world be delighted if another provider appeared in the area, especially a well funded one run by highly experienced staff? Which meant more people in your area could be helped, especially those you wouldn’t help due to them having “unacceptable” views? Wouldn’t you reach out and see at the very least if there was some way of working together to sign post people with needs to the right organisation??

or is it just because the “people” Beiras Place help are women?

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The really young cocky one who was called out as dogmatic in her beliefs hopefully!

I was hoping the same! She made my teeth itch.

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Katie Horsburgh is very worrying. How can GirlGuiding continue like this? Is their leadership completely captured or just outsourcing its thinking to the 'cool young 'uns'?

From the judgement:
"The Tribunal found the dogmatic way in which Ms Horsburgh gave evidence to be extremely worrying."

"Ms Horsburgh came across in her evidence as being perhaps the most hardline of the respondent’s witnesses in respect of her adherence to gender identity theory"

From GirlGuiding Scotland, 18/3/24, my bold:
Own Our Zone campaign
This campaign is all about making public spaces safer for girls and young women across Scotland...

Denise Spence, the CEO of Girlguiding Scotland, has also shared some thoughts about empowering girls and young women to know they can do anything, and creating a platform to ensure their voices are heard at all levels of decision making:
“Thank you for coming to support us tonight….We acknowledge the hard work of all the champions on the project, especially those who have spoken tonight, to Chloe and Grace and to Katie Horsburgh our overall lead volunteer for girl voice."

You can believe that the reason a tiny number of dysphoric people (of any age) are dysphoric is because their GI is incongruent, while also believing that sex matters. That's the crucial difference. You would know that the "woman" inside still has a male-sexed body and therefore does not belong in women's single-sex spaces.

There are TW who hold opinions like this, such as Miranda Yardley. I imagine this is what the Tribunal think of as non-extreme GI.

They seem rare, though. TW that I know, whilst otherwise apparently normal, adhere to the TRA line even when it's obviously crazy, and manifest severe psychological discomfort when I argue back. I see the same discomfort in non-trans be kind types.

I can see why a TW might be very invested in this worldview, but I don't really understand how it has successfully spread to their allies and to the rest of civil society.