Why it will all fall apart in the end

[MyPearlViper]

I am a man, I know I am a man

I want to be a woman. I know I can't be a woman.

But what I can do is try to convince everyone to call me a woman. Ok, all well and good, and until the recent successes in the courts the Mermaids/ Stonewall axis was keeping this line steady ...

But ultimately it's self destroying. It's King Midas, or Samson destroying the temple.

Because by asking everyone to call me a woman, to accept me as a woman... we must, as a society, change the definition of what a woman is.

And that is not what I want, I don't want to be a "new" or an "artificial" woman, I want to be a proper woman.

If I don't get society to agree, I remain a man. But if I do, I become a pseudo-woman.

I will never get what I want. Ever.

(Not me for real, obviously. I'm adopting a voice. Tchoh!)

Hence India Willoughby claiming to be a biological woman with a cervix

Yes OP there is a foot-stamping, spoilt, “I’ll skweam and skweam until I’m sick” element to it.

Hence the devastation when it becomes clear that they've fooled nobody but themselves. That truth after months or even years of being lied to must hurt like hell. Lies are not kind.

Bonkers. India might as well claim to be an octopus it would make a more convincing octopus than a woman.

The impossibility of the quest is part of the appeal, imho.

I think what they don't realise is the amount of resentment they generate when they try to force people to do something they don't want to do.
I think it's related to narcissism, they don't care how the other person feels, only that they do what they are told. The resentment they generate by trying to force people is what defeats them.
I've always thought in an alternate universe where all this had been handled differently from the start, the results would be very different. But they made a choice to go in hard with no debate, violence, and intimidation, and here we are, it's all falling apart and political leaders are being ousted by a medical review of all things. It may even completely kill their political party at the next election. Utter shitshow.

I have always thought Violet Elizabeth Bott was underrated. Bet she grew up to be a second wave feminist.

Yes I agree completely. "No debate" was a tactical error and could have been redeemed with some smart lawyerspeak, but TWAW is just asking everyone to agree that a lie is the truth.

You have to conclude that spoiled people who think they can just shout loud and get what they want.... aren't actually all that smart?

Alternatively, they know exactly how much resentment they generate and enjoy creating chaos and ill feeling.

There are both - sincere if a bit misguided people who just haven't thought it through, and malignant narcissists attracted to the opportunity to centre themselves and manipulate people.

I think the positioning of some TW as the total opposite of good allies to women is very bizarre and telling, given we are a group they aspire to be members of.

One can only assume that more is going on with them than their aspiration to assume a different gender identity.

Adopting the superficial sex-coding of femininity is not the same as empathising with women. I'd say the latter actively interferes with the former, in fact, because the former relies on signals/signifiers divorced from the signified adult human female.

Sex affects gender of course, but one can only imagine that gender can affects sex if dehumanisation is involved. Sex is a material reality, whereas gender is a social construct. One can't load all meaning onto a social construct without devaluing material reality, i.e. pretending words matter more than humans.

tl;dr: men do not wear fake breasts out of empathy with women.

And that is not what I want, I don't want to be a "new" or an "artificial" woman, I want to be a proper woman.

Exactly. Hence the fact that the gender movement is massively invested in maintaining all the sex-based stereotypes, because aping those stereotypes is what validates their identity as a supposed member of that sex class. If you don't need to wear high heels and swishy dresses to be a woman, how on earth are you supposed to show that you are one?

IW cannot stand the fact that there's any difference between a woman and a transwoman.

Clue: The only qualification you need to be a transwoman is that you have to be male.

If you are not male, you are female. That really upsets IW and the more IW tries to force others to pretend, the more they resist and the more it hurts IW. Circular route to unhappiness.

If you don't need to wear high heels and swishy dresses to be a woman, how on earth are you supposed to show that you are one?

Agreed.

You made me think of Louis XIV in his high-heeled shoes and fabulous outfits and robes. No intention of being construed as a woman given his divine rights as a ruler were conferred on him by his sex and status, iirc.

We all know how IW would respond to being offered a chromosome test :)

it will fall apart in the end (coming soon hopefully) because its total bollocks. The real mystery is how it gained any traction at all in the first place. It makes as much sense as the earth being flat so why did anyone fall for it?

@lonelywater because male privilege and misogyny?

Some male bodied people wanted it and it was only some unpleasantly strident female bodied people who had some silly little concerns.

It started with people being 'kind'.

I have been sating to my dd for yearsnow, "don't be kind".

IW doesn't need a chromsome test because IW has already fathered a child. Something that would have been impossible if IW was a woman.

I have always thought that it would be female sport and transing kids that made the public wake up to what was going on, and that seems to be playing out.

As many on FWR have predicted, a big factor will also the trend becoming passé, and therefore uncool. I think there's already a slowing in celebs declaring themselves trans. NB is now preferred, and the thing about non-binary is that it undermines the entire trans ideology of your gender being determined by rigid sex stereotypes. It's the cuckoo in the nest of transgenderism.

In time, NB will also become uncool and we will be back to where we were 20 years ago, with trans being largely confined to males with the three-letter condition that dares not speak its name on MN.

In time, NB will also become uncool and we will be back to where we were 20 years ago, with trans being largely confined to males with the three-letter condition that dares not speak its name on MN.

Ah yes, well we are off on our holidays v soon and landing at that airport (Málaga airport), going to that lovely spot in Spain for a bit of sun! 😁

I want to start #don’t “be kind” be truthful

I imagine the daughters of influential males being uncomfortable being forced to change in front of adult men/loosing prises to males in female categories/being told they could not have been raped as it was a woman etc will open some eyes and ignite a pushback. Then of course because it's men raising concerns not just silly historical women people may give it some consideration

Stand by for said men expressing surprise that no feminists have spoken up about this, so it's been left to them 🙄

I can't predict the future so not sure if this will fall apart on logical grounds, but suspect that it will not as it is not based on logical grounds to begin with.

People seem to react emotionally to this, on the whole, wanting to be seen as kind or not caring at all but wanting social kudos for being inclusive.

When things change they change for emotional reasons, such as seeing Lia Thomas three times the size of the female swimmers or a male rapist wearing pink leggings and a blonde wig. Many then feel anger at the unfairness.

That things are not changing faster is because of the aggression, threats, and cancellations anyone pointing logical problems out receives. That, too, is based on an emotion: fear.

(What I've found fascinating is how many feminists don't see that one type of male transitioners identify as a woman but not with women at all. Rather, they view women as sexual competition, are not particularly interested in feminism or even prefer women not to be seen as equal as this makes it harder to perform femininity of the regressive kind.