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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/05/2024 15:41

I take that back then. I don't think he's a great actor, from what I've seen of his work on screen, but maybe he's better in the theatre.

I do think his earlier remarks about JKR not being qualified to talk about this issue were patronising and ill-advised, given that he is no better qualified but still feels able to take a side. I quite agree he doesn't owe her life-long loyalty, but it would have been nice if he or Emma Watson or Rupert Grint had found it within themselves to say that nobody deserves to receive the violent threats and abuse routinely levelled at J. K. Rowling since she dared to speak out for women's rights and safeguarding of the vulnerable.

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 01/05/2024 15:46

PorcelinaV · 01/05/2024 15:26

He is entitled to his own opinions sure, but I think that some loyalty would be appropriate given how much hate and demonisation she got.

So he doesn't have to agree with her, but he could have been speaking out to defend her right to speak and say that sections of the trans lobby were way too hostile. Assuming that's his genuine opinion of course.

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't notice him doing much to stand up for free speech and civil debate over the issue.

This! He doesn’t have to agree with her but he could equally have called out the death threats and violence made against her but he didn’t

this was a woman he knew personally, who you would hope he’d know didn’t bear any hatred towards trans people

and he stood aside and let her be metaphorically ripped to shreds and even had the absolute nerve to apologise for her

PorcelinaV · 01/05/2024 15:52

Medical professionals aren't really "experts" in this situation.

The stuff about TWAW isn't a scientific or medical question.

The psychological well-being of trans people is a medical question, but we don't have the best quality evidence; and anyway, as soon as you get into questions of competing rights or wanting society to go along with someone's, er, "identity", then medical professionals are completely outside of their area of expertise.

CactusMactus · 01/05/2024 15:52

Just seems like he is getting a little bit of attention off the back of JKR... so nothing new there.

OkPedro · 01/05/2024 16:01

I had no idea that rolling stone was captured too 😒 I'd be hauling them through court if I was JKR

ArcaneWireless · 01/05/2024 16:11

He is entitled to his own opinions sure, but I think that some loyalty would be appropriate given how much hate and demonisation she got.

So he doesn't have to agree with her, but he could have been speaking out to defend her right to speak and say that sections of the trans lobby were way too hostile. Assuming that's his genuine opinion of course.

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't notice him doing much to stand up for free speech and civil debate over the issue.

This.

I don’t hate him.

But I do pity him for not being strong enough to speak out against everything she went through and continues to go through.

Silence is very powerful- even for the weak.

Thankfully JKR’s voice is stronger.

viques · 01/05/2024 16:14

PorcelinaV · 01/05/2024 15:52

Medical professionals aren't really "experts" in this situation.

The stuff about TWAW isn't a scientific or medical question.

The psychological well-being of trans people is a medical question, but we don't have the best quality evidence; and anyway, as soon as you get into questions of competing rights or wanting society to go along with someone's, er, "identity", then medical professionals are completely outside of their area of expertise.

Except that they know that biologically people can’t change sex. So yes, it’s fine to live your life in another gender if you want to, but to pretend that doing so changes your sex , gives you all the characteristics of another sex, and the legal rights of another sex is not fine at all.

YukNo · 01/05/2024 16:18

All he had to say was “I don’t agree with Jo but I know she’s a good person and I utterly condemn the threats and insults that have been thrown at her.”

ArcaneWireless · 01/05/2024 16:20

Well quite.

And it speaks volumes for him that he did not.

illinivich · 01/05/2024 16:21

I always thought his statements were to protect the potter reputation and therefore his income. As in, you can keep watching harry potter, kids, were not all awful.

But, reading his previous statement he ignored JKR concern about children and women rights, and focusing on the rights of men, then segways into a quote by the trevor project, a group promoting awareness of lgbt teen suicide prevention.

He said Transgender women are women. Any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people and goes against all advice given by professional health care associations who have far more expertise on this subject matter than either Jo or I. According to The Trevor Project, 78% of transgender and nonbinary youth reported being the subject of discrimination due to their gender identity.

Is it just me who reads that as - women should say TWAW because otherwise it will lead to children being harmed?

By critising JKR so publicly, he's critising all women and all parents for not being completely behind the ideology.

Thats not only unfair, its using his fame to manipulate how everyone can talk about womens rights and child safeguarding.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 01/05/2024 16:22

OnlyLoveCanBreakYourHeart · 01/05/2024 13:44

Funny how all these men are so certain that TWAW but you never see them dating one do you?

Or paying one to carry their baby Confused

IsadoraQuagmire · 01/05/2024 16:23

Flickersy · 01/05/2024 14:56

I'd bet the farm that if he were in support of JKR everyone would be gushing about what a wonderful actor he was and how talented he is...

Of course they wouldn't (unless the only other acting they'd seen was Hollyoaks or similar) He's dreadful.

IDoNotConsentToAstonResearch · 01/05/2024 16:26

YukNo · 01/05/2024 16:18

All he had to say was “I don’t agree with Jo but I know she’s a good person and I utterly condemn the threats and insults that have been thrown at her.”

Yup.

Also he more than anyone was in a good position to say, ‘I know Jo well and she does not hate trans kids.’

One of the most poisonous things that the TRAs have done is to encourage vulnerable young people to believe that Rowling, who many of them admired, hated them. He could have helped to counteract this just by a moment of courage and decency but he didn’t.

Bobbotgegrinch · 01/05/2024 16:28

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/05/2024 12:54

A glance at IMDB suggests he's not getting much return on his brown nosing. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0705356/

Really?

I think the mans opinions on JKR and womens rights make him an eejit, but he's gotten plenty of work according to that imdb page. He's been the lead in a TV show for the last 4 years, and has been in 6 movies during that time as well.

He's also been appearing in a Broadway show for the past couple of years (presumably since his TV show finished filming)

For a guy who has enough cash to never work again, and is known to be picky about what work he does, he seems to be fairly regularly employed.

BonnyBo · 01/05/2024 16:40

I haven’t seen anything with him in it but I thought his performance in Equus was well received?

I agree that his acting ability, workload and the fact that JKR propelled him to fame is irrelevant. He just seems ill-informed, and although he is entitled to an opinion, he comes across as being wilfully blind to the effects of gender ideology on women and children. And regardless of their different age perspectives, it seems a shame he hasn’t been able to say that the abuse JKR receives is terrible.

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 01/05/2024 16:55

OkPedro · 01/05/2024 16:01

I had no idea that rolling stone was captured too 😒 I'd be hauling them through court if I was JKR

If you want to spend an evening experiencing your jaw dropping to the floor, you should look into some of some of the Rolling Stone's lead stories over the past few years. Too busy rolling to stop to think about anything, it seems!

PriOn1 · 01/05/2024 16:56

Here is the bit where I would consider he is doubling down, not on his stance on transgenderism, but in disrespecting Jo.

.“It makes me really sad, ultimately,” he says, “because I do look at the person that I met, the times that we met, and the books that she wrote, and the world that she created, and all of that is to me so deeply empathic.”

He is so caught up inside himself that I don’t think it’s crossed his mind that Jo has seen something he has missed. He is implying she is no longer empathetic, failing entirely to understand that her current stance is empathetic to the group she considers are losing out, i.e. women. I think his mind is so tightly shut that he can’t even see there’s a conflict of rights.

But it’s obvious from the wider interview that his life is incredibly blinkered. I can’t really imagine what it does to your brain to grow up outside the real world the rest of us inhabit. He also conflates the current situation with the gay people who inhabited his world when he was a child. How many famous actors now have “transed” their children? I suspect he is in a famous actor bubble, where Jo is not.

But it’s incredibly sad if he can’t see that it isn’t Jo and her empathy that’s changed. It’s the political climate and the unreasonable demands that are being made. It would appear he doesn’t have the imagination or insight to consider whether there’s any possibility it might be him that’s wrong.

SmudgeButt · 01/05/2024 17:04

sorry but i can't look at a picture of him and not wish he'd get rid of those caterpillar eye brows.

JKRJHBKJK · 01/05/2024 17:05

Man doesn't give a toss about women or girls, I'm shocked...

Not.

It's a tale as old as time.

Floisme · 01/05/2024 17:22

I get the impression (from the Atlantic article - I can't see what Rolling Stone have said) that the journalist might have been hoping to (re)ignite hostilities between Radcliffe and JKR.

In fact JKR declined the chance to comment and the only new quote the journalist seems to have got out of Radcliffe is:
“I will continue to support the rights of all LGBTQ people, and have no further comment than that.”

I suspect this led to the interviewer digging around for some old quotes.

I'm not a fan of Radcliffe and I agree with @YukNo YukNo that he's always had the option of disagreeing with JK while condemning condemning the abuse. But I'm also unimpressed with this journalist who I think has created confusion because they failed to get what they wanted.

Editing to say I may well be wrong about some of the other quotes but I've read the whole article a couple of times and I'm unclear about what's new and what isn't - and I don't respect writers who create this kind of confusion.

Nidysheyzjsbsgwhw · 01/05/2024 17:31

I really don't think JK is a very good example of someone fighting for women's rights, I mean she literally was engaging in holocaust denial....

Theeyeballsinthesky · 01/05/2024 17:38

Nidysheyzjsbsgwhw · 01/05/2024 17:31

I really don't think JK is a very good example of someone fighting for women's rights, I mean she literally was engaging in holocaust denial....

Yeah she literally wasn’t

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