Sir Kier Starmer on GMB now being asked what his stance on trans gender is

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He said he apologises to people eating their breakfast'.

He is being questioned about his treatment of Rosie Duffield but he's not answered really and moved the convo swiftly to Brianna Ghey

Susannah said you told the MP Rosie Duffield that she is wrong to say only women have a cervix and he is again deflecting.

Says he believes in safe spaces for women.

Women's prisons? - deflects again to the NHS today. no answer to any direct questions.

Says again about safe spaces being important- but again deflecting and whittering about the constituion

SR asking for clarity- is it right or wrong for RD to say only women have a cervix - KS- she is biologically right. SR- should you apologise to her?
KS- deflects. Wants discussion. Not answering the question.

I'm giving up now. He can't even string a coherent sentence together. Keeps deflecting.

IMO of course.

One transwoman attended. And wasn't bearded - but was wearing trousers. I hadn't realised transwomen weren't allowed to wear trousers.

You've got to be joking 😂
What he said was completely bizarre under any circumstances. What next, is he going to refer to his husband, forgetting he's married to a woman? It's about as likely as forgetting you have a son and a daughter.

Scurrilous gossip about how KS' child identifies has quite rightly had threads shut down before now. If you want this thread to stay up it would be best to drop it. It's completely inappropriate.

Wow such animosity towards Kier Starmer over an issue the majority of the population don't have the time, energy or intellectual space to worry about. If you'd prefer the government we're now lumbered with, god help us all.

Like I say, you're a better person than me if you've never made similar mistakes.

Luckily, my mistakes tend aren't on a national level in front of media.

but hey, at least he admits to how many children he has ;)

I don't think he does drag the rest of us into his family dynamics. I am quite dull and like politics, he speaks about his childhood a lot but rarely his children or his wife.

His children should have privacy.

I am not a Starmer fan. But this feels like a real low attack. I think we need to think about where this coming from and who benefits from this.

@justteanbiscuits

Do you think a woman has the right to report a rape?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-hospital-admits-bowing-to-gender-ideology-after-denying-a-patient-was-raped-because-accused-man-is-transgender

I called my son the name of my female childhood dog last week.

Luckily it was amongst friends, and everyone found it funny, and no one got their pearls in a twist thinking my son was identifying as a female dog.

I call my boy son, my female dog's name, and vice versa!

That is a whole other issue though. That is about (probably men) finding ANY excuse to deny a woman the right to report a rape.

@justteanbiscuits

I'm afraid you are wrong the explicitly said that she couldn't have been raped because there were no men in the ward.
Please show me another case where a woman has no been allowed to report a rape crime.

@justteanbiscuits

Do you think the women who have lost out on sporting money and scholarships have a right to fair competition?

Calling someone by the wrong name is very different to forgetting what sex your own child is. As I said, it's akin to him referring to his wife as 'my husband' in an interview and not correcting himself and no less odd.

one woman not having access to single sex rape crisis help is one too many.

Oh, okay, sports don't matter. Women can just push over and make space for men - because many sports are taking their own sweet time to resolve this issue internationally, and meanwhile women have been injured and lost sponsorship and scholarships and been vilified for pointing this out. I'm not sure how long it would have taken to bring this issue to wider attention if women hadn't kicked up an almighty fuss, and been called bigots for doing so.

I do actually go about trying to make positive change rather than just bitching on the internet
you have no idea what I do in my own time, so perhaps leave the snide digs out of it. If that wasn't a snide dig, perhaps consider how you phrase things, given that tone is difficult on the internet.

What hapens when a transman, who for all intents and purposes looks and acts like a man, uses the womens toilets?
Such a person would be safe in the gents, surely? If they pass as male?

What happens when a butch woman gets attacked for using the womens toilets (which is happening).
A situation brought about by the insane situation we have now, where a bloke with a beard can claim he's a woman.

Yet, there has been no increase in women being attacked in 'women only' spaces. Prisons? Women's refuges?

Women are at risk from a small subset of men. Awful, hideous men. A transwoman is at much MUCH greater risk from men.
And once men can, with impunity, enter women's spaces, those 'Awful, hideous men' have a loophole through which they can stroll to access women in states of undress. I'm sorry, but this is men's issue to solve. I'm concerned with the wellbeing of women. If transwomen, rather than screaming 'BIGOT NO DEBATE!' for the last however many years, had allied themselves with feminists, understood our concerns and campaigned for third spaces, we might be somewhere different.

But we're not.

Please see my previous post where I discussed sport.

I do think the Brianna Ghey tragedy was going to be Labour's trump card to shut down any GC speak, it does not seem to have taken off like they hoped though.

It’s only a trump card if they believe voters who are loving parents, or have some modicum of empathy and decency, think that a politician cynically using a horrific family tragedy in pursuit of their own political career goals is something ethical, decent and worthy of respect. And if their belief turns out to be correct.

If, however, very many parents and individuals with a modicum of decency are utterly disgusted by politicians who try to make political mileage out of a family tragedy, then it’s not a silencing technique in quite the way they were hoping for.

Massive disappointment and another Tory dressed up as a Labour leader only he doesn’t lead, he practically agrees with most Tory policies. The fact that the conservatives and labour refuse to back a ceasefire and are friends of Israel tells me all I need to know.

With Labour highly likely to win the Election I am very worried for womens rights.
Not enough voters see Labours stance as a huge problem.

Im a floating voter so I’m waiting for some real change in Labours attitude to biological women. Conservative health secretary made a good statement today on women in hospitals and their rights to separate wards etc. Still waiting for Labour to come up with some concrete and positive answers though.

[prods post with a fork]

Hmmm...

@justteanbiscuits

I notice you are late to the thread, were you perhaps busy filming on GMB earlier? I recognise you inability to accept answers to your questions

@justteanbiscuits

you said "Women are at risk from a small subset of men. Awful, hideous men. A transwoman is at much MUCH greater risk from men. Forcing a transwoman to use mens toilets would put them at very high risk of violence."

Do you have any evidence for this? No, I thought not.

How did you take "Oh, okay, sports don't matter. Women can just push over and make space for men " from my post??

What I pushed for, and what has happened, is, regardless of age or level of sport, you can choose to complete in the category of your birth gender, or an open category.

What hapens when a transman, who for all intents and purposes looks and acts like a man, uses the womens toilets?
Such a person would be safe in the gents, surely? If they pass as male?
So trans women who pass as women can use the female toilets OK? It's only those that don't pass what you consider to be acceptable? And it's fine for butch women to be attacked / abused because it's caused by "by the insane situation we have now".

Yet, there has been no increase in women being attacked in 'women only' spaces.Prisons? Women's refuges?
I haven't looked at the statistics for prisons. But refuges, toilets etc no, no increase.

You realise that men don't have to claim to be women to enter womens spaces? There is no law preventing it happening. They can just walk in. They can say they're a cleaner, or a plumber (both have happened in recent years). or can just walk in. There is no law preventing this. There is no "right" for only women in womens toilets

@justteanbiscuits

You might want to read actually research

"The researchers state:
‘male-to-females . . . retained a male pattern regarding criminality. The same was true regarding violent crime.’
MtF transitioners were over 6 times more likely to be convicted of an offence than female comparators and 18 times more likely to be convicted of a violent offence. The group had no statistically significant differences from other natal males, for convictions in general or for violent offending. The group examined were those who committed to surgery, and so were more tightly defined than a population based solely on self-declaration."

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_for_being_transgender

https://www.stophateuk.org/about-hate-crime/transgender-hate/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63157965

Also. Speak to any trans woman of her experiences.