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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender neutral toilets

79 replies

MrsLeonFarrell · 26/04/2024 18:44

Alistair Campbell on Instagram chose as his tree of the day a toilet door with Gender Neutral on it. He can't see the issue apparently.

I wanted to explain succinctly but kept deleting, any ideas? Basically I don't think he's thought about the subject from the female perspective.

What a subject for my first post here!

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SpicyMoth · 26/04/2024 18:53

Honestly just quoting the amount of assaults that happen in those spaces as confirmed by studies would likely be enough to get your point across!

Mitsubishicolt · 26/04/2024 18:56

I've met a few men like this. Believe themselves to be decent blokes but when you look beneath the surface they are completely lacking any empathy/ability to see an issue from any perspective other than their own. Just so, so arrogant. I've also noticed they've not said a peep about Cass (as far as I'm aware). Infuriating

agent765 · 26/04/2024 18:57

I was just about to add this.

DialSquare · 26/04/2024 19:02

What a prick.

As an aside, Im also a fan of the Chronicles of St Mary's!

Waitwhat23 · 26/04/2024 19:10

The language used in order to make them seem neutral pisses me off.

They're not gender neutral. They're mixed sex.

Redshoeblueshoe · 26/04/2024 19:23

He's also put it on X

MrsLeonFarrell · 26/04/2024 19:28

DialSquare · 26/04/2024 19:02

What a prick.

As an aside, Im also a fan of the Chronicles of St Mary's!

Always love to find another ST Mary's mumsnetter!

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Stripybasket · 26/04/2024 19:29

@MrsLeonFarrell I bit! So disappointed in him tbh.

MrsLeonFarrell · 26/04/2024 19:33

Thank you for the links, there are lots of good comments there now. I hope he is reading and thinking about it.

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nocoolnamesleft · 26/04/2024 19:35

It would be great to be able to set Markham loose on some of these idiots. I'm sure he'd have some helpful suggestions.

MrsLeonFarrell · 26/04/2024 19:36

Mitsubishicolt · 26/04/2024 18:56

I've met a few men like this. Believe themselves to be decent blokes but when you look beneath the surface they are completely lacking any empathy/ability to see an issue from any perspective other than their own. Just so, so arrogant. I've also noticed they've not said a peep about Cass (as far as I'm aware). Infuriating

I think he is a good bloke but he is in a bubble with his fingers in his ears on this topic. I listen to his podcast with Rory Stewart and they mentioned something in passing a few days ago. It was obvious that neither of them had given any thought to the issues raised and were merely trying to be as bland as possible in their comments to avoid any pushback. It was really disappointing.

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DialSquare · 26/04/2024 19:42

nocoolnamesleft · 26/04/2024 19:35

It would be great to be able to set Markham loose on some of these idiots. I'm sure he'd have some helpful suggestions.

And Pennyroyal

CosplayingAGrownUp · 26/04/2024 19:46

I listened to their take on why Justin Trudeau was so unpopular- "But why?" "Yes, it's such a mystery... blah blah 'too much' blah blah 'seen as very woke' blah blah [more superficial chunter]"

Cone on Rory, you're better than this analysis-free bollocks.

Runskiyoga · 26/04/2024 20:08

Is the response any different on Instagram vs Twitter?

Keeptoiletssafe · 26/04/2024 20:11

People are more likely to come to harm in gender neutral (mixed sex) toilets. This is because they are fully enclosed and private. The design for mixed sex toilets has to be and scarily the government are even thinking of this as a preferred design for single sex toilets too.

Gender neutral (mixed sex) toilets discriminate against medically vulnerable people and those having a medical emergency. Because of the lack of a visibility gap at the bottom of the door and no means of going over the door, there is no way to know if someone is in trouble anymore. This is particularly important when people are having strokes, seizures and heart attacks and other brain injuries. The first place people head to is the toilet when they feel ill, so a larger amount of people will end up there in a crisis. It is made worse because toilet doors usually swing inwards into the toilet, so when a body falls against it then it can’t be accessed even when someone tries to unlock it.

In 2015, before the increase in gender neutral facilities in schools, the BBC stated that there was at least one rape per school day recorded inside British school premises. It was discussed in Parliament. Where are these sexual assaults happening? Is it a good idea to introduce small enclosed private mix sex spaces into schools? What about drug taking? Self harm? Teachers are reporting sexual assaults are happening in mix sex toilets. They don’t know how many pupils are in each cubicle and what is happening in them.

If you look at the numbers of people raped and assaulted in disabled toilets it is high because they are mixed sex and private. Able bodied people are pushed into them or perpetrators follow disabled people in. A young girl was recently raped in a disabled toilet at a very busy station. No one was aware.

Safeguarding is about prevention. If there is an emergency building evacuation, it takes a few seconds for a fightfighter or supervisor to check a row of toilets with door gaps. It takes much longer if the occupants are not visible and the doors are locked.

It is also useful to know who is outside the toilet door for an occupant inside if you feel threatened/followed.

Hygiene is compromised in mixed sex toilets. There is less air circulation. Mops can’t go under the door and the floors can’t be washed down easily. Cleaners have to get in and out of the cubicles.

Grime ends up stuck to the full height doors or they warp due to liquid build up causing more cubicles to be out of use.

If you are a healthy, able-bodied man, and haven’t experienced anyone having a medical emergency or being assaulted in a toilet then I expect you would think they are a good idea.

Talkinpeace · 26/04/2024 20:15

#labourlosingwomen

nuff said

Keeptoiletssafe · 26/04/2024 20:17

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ManchesterBeatrice · 26/04/2024 20:22

What is a tree of the day?

ManchesterBeatrice · 26/04/2024 20:24

Has a look at his insta.

Ugh, men in the LaCie are a nightmare. It's the seeing on the floor I can't stand.

ManchesterBeatrice · 26/04/2024 20:25

LaCie - ladies

ManchesterBeatrice · 26/04/2024 20:25

Good god. PEEING.

I give up.

Countrylife2002 · 26/04/2024 20:29

I like them both and listen to the podcast but I always detect an inability to see the female pov. AC has always been blind on this issue.

ManchesterBeatrice · 26/04/2024 20:31

It's interesting that he said 'better for everybody' when it's just better for men.

His privilege is showing.

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