Thread 2: A corpus-assisted discourse analysis of linguistic transphobia on Mumsnet

[VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia]

At fewer than 20 posts left, time for part two.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5057460-a-corpus-assisted-discourse-analysis-of-linguistic-transphobia-on-mumsnet

Site Stuff thread that tipped off MNHQ: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/5057903-mumsnet-corpus

Thank you have namechanged anyway but not sure what the point is now oh well

Thanks

Excellent.

I found the first thread on Thursday evening, while my DH drove us home from our weekly grandparenting stint. I can hardly believe what I've read and learned.

I second an earlier poster's request for a form of words to use in requesting info from the University of Aston.

(The form of words I'd use to describe its attitude to Mumsnet, and to women and their lives, is 'complacent callous contempt'.)

Thanks for new thread @VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia

I'm sulking as I was hoping to have may name, purely for the purposes of accurate scrapping, to be attached to this second thread as well as the first.

Still may have a chance to start a 3rd thread in time for the event when we will find this presentation provides insights into the growing commonality of potentially ‘gender-critical’ feminist rhetoric on Mumsnet and its effect on increasing transphobic discourse on the site. ...

So have come to the conclusion that being a woman who has given birth, ie a mother, is to be transphobic.

Sorry for stealing your thunder. In my defence, we were at less than twenty posts before the dreaded "This thread is no longer accepting messages" and it was climbing fast.

In my defence, we were at less than twenty posts before the dreaded

No worries, I had vaguely thought about it and as I didn't know there was an actual number I was going to check when it got to Page 40.

I contemplated a name change for thread two, then thought nah fuck it! My constant use of fur instead of for due to not paying Attention to the predictive text capabilities of my tablet is one of many quirks of my posts, along with random capitals that I just can't be bothered to correct over the entirety of a thread!

If you look at the top under the title, it says "n replies" where n is an integer. 999 - n is how many you have before the thread closes.

They went to sea in a Sieve, they did,
In a Sieve they went to sea:
In spite of all their friends could say,
On a winter’s morn, on a stormy day,
In a Sieve they went to sea!

I shall use random verses to disrupt detection. Hee hee hee.

Not your most convincing disguise, dear.👒<--- random potentially gender critical transphobic non linguistic communication

*sits down quietly and starts calculating how many packs of Tunnocks we’ll need for Thursday…

Will you be live tweeting/posting?

Whatever answer you get double it then remember to pick up a couple of packs of the dark tea cakes and caramel wafers for the weirdos.

i can't sleep
here's the same verse translated into klingon

qatlh ghu'vam luta'bogh,
Hu'tegh, ngengDaq pawDI',
qaStaHvIS poHvetlh,
toH, wa' latlhpu' to'wI' neH.
'eH, be'nal yIlegh!

and an ott exaggerated shakespearean translation

Those gents wenteth to flote in a sieve, those gents didst,
in a sieve those gents wenteth to flote:
in spite of all their cater-cousins couldst sayeth,
on a wint'r’s m'rn, on a st'rmy day,
in a sieve those gents wenteth to flote!

i rather like the latter

Re the other thread #1 and the issue of submitting Subject Access Requests under DPA/GDPR: there are a number of posters on this board who have posted under their own names (or names recognisably associated with them) who might be interested in doing it.

Off the top of my bonce there are Maya, Glinner, Harry the Owl, Jo Phoenix, Rosaria ... and so many more.

And someone really really needs to tip off Sarah Vine who I would bet money on moving among us.

Edited to add random phrase for the fuck of it: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will truly see the creation

Placemarking for the random entertainment and troubling insight this thread provides.

I was thinking about the non verbal aspect. Do posters have their own emoji idiolect, a distinctive repertoire of emojis which also helps to link their identity across platforms? 🛸🏟️🏑🪃🫒🌿🌪️ ☃️ That should screw the algorithm nicely. 🤓🙂‍↔️🤥🫠

I'm thinking, now I've slept a bit.

Would it need to be Freedom of Information for all the reports, presentations, theses, dissertations, emails, and other internal and/or external communications that may contain our words, and any associated gleanings about us?

And a Subject Access Request for any information they hold and store about us?

Or could they be combined in some way?

I'd love the data and all associated stuff to be deleted. But if people have used that, unethically, and that sits somewhere in a library, on a server, on the internet and was part of someone's qualifications, then what happens?

How fucking dare they! I'm still raging.

Thanks for the thread, OP.

If anyone knows a way to stream anonymously I will be happy to do that on Thursday. Otherwise I'll record and try to find a way to upload somewhere.

I think that is correct re the FOI, plus who funded it, plus what checks they do on who can access the dataset. I would like to know who funded the project which began in 2018 according to the presentation.

I would also like to know which specific posters they have targeted in their analysis (as the presentation said that there were 50 if I understood correctly, I would need to listen again to check) and any subsequent analysis. The problem here is that any number of the 50 (or subsequently more) could have no idea this is what has happened, could have moved on from what they might have been discussing and it would bring it all back (which is somewhat how I feel - and then to know that what you have been posting at a very difficult time to other women who offered support and ‘got it’ has been, I quote, a ‘sandbox to play in’ for the doxy dudes?

For a subject access request, it needs to be the subject (ie you asking about you). The problem I have for this is that I cannot remember what usernames I had at that point at various points over the last fourteen years (which is how long I have been a member of MN). And presumably you would have to do the SAR adding your username(s).

Just thinking about ways of confusing scrapers now.

Adding invisible text of complete nonsense? Could affect the smooth operation of a site.

And I wonder if Tattle have also been scraped by them?

Thanks for the new thread. I'm marking my place in anticipation of the running commentary on Thursday. 💐🎂🍫🫖☕️

Yes, and you are right Alisondonut that there is no way of doing it without identifying yourself as X username.
Although I am sorely tempted to go well, fuck it but I am lacking in sleep this morning.
I should have said thank you as well for the new thread.
For what it is worth, I think one of their conclusions from the poster posting about infertility was that she used a lot of language relating to fertility. I mean, no shit, Sherlock.

That assumes the sex of the Jumblies. Their heads are green and their hands are blue and they went to sea in a sieve.

I agree with the suggestion of a more FOI requests. Including who funded the Mumsnet scrape.