HIGNFY dipping a toe in

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Having a dig at Stoke hospitals 21 genders flag and the Scottish police for only arresting people on line

I mean it’s only taken several years

I've been disappointed by Private Eye's (almost non-nonexisitent) response to the various gender debacles. They know about them (Ian Hislop has mentioned gender in interviews) but they've been resoundingly silent despite the free speech issues for writers and journalists and despite the endless opportunities for tasteless humour at the expense of both sides. Even Griselda treads very daintily. It's not as if political scandal information can't be found, Wings over Scotland has been jeering at the Scottish positions for years.

As for MD's response to Cass in Issue 1622 - well I don't know, I would call it lackadaisical at best. Yes it's a whole page. And yes it's a reasonable factual summary of what Cass has discovered. But there's no background and he repeats a lot of "both sides". Reading his article you would get the impression that there were equal amounts of "politics, polarisation" and even "misinformation" coming from both sides so how is a poor medical professional supposed to make sense of it? He even had the brass neck to point out that Cass said there is no evidence that psychosocial approaches help gender-distressed children while not pointing out the massive physical harm done by the medical approaches.

He had no interest in how the report came to be, no praise for Cass herself much less for the army of people who thanklessly tried to raise doubts about gender medicine over the years. Nothing for the courage ad effort that it has taken to slow the gender juggernaut down despite all the difficulties and lack of resources that he described at the end of the article.

I don't know what field MD works in - is he in paediatric medicine? - but I did have a strong sense of someone excusing his own and his colleagues' lack of curiosity and lack of action.

Or perhaps they recognised that this isn't the big issue for the populace that people on MN think it is. They have of course had almost an embarrassment of serious material about fraud, corruption, lying politicians, lying corporations etc etc to cover over the last few years.

Yeah, mutilating a generation of kids is relatively unimportant compared to 'other things'. Obviously we must be at fault for giving a shit.

I guess it remains to be seen how important an issue the public (beyond MN) thinks a medical scandal involving irreversible, life-impacting/limiting experimentation on thousands of children and young people will be.

A generation? Millions of children? Wow, who knew.

I don't dip into Private Eye as often as I used to, but I started reading it in my teens and was a subscriber for most of my adult life. I suppose I still have a sentimental fondness for it even if I feel it's not what it used to be.

A lot of that fondness was always due to the writers. I used to idolise Paul Foot. I'd be a lot more critical of him now, because of some things he got badly wrong, and more particularly the stuff he turned a blind eye to in his SWP career, but Paul could be an absolute dog with a bone when he got started on a scandal.

Francis Wheen once did me a small kindness at a low point in my life, and I'll always remember him for that.

But the Eye's whole identity is based on it exposing the things powerful people don't want you to know. If there's been a huge scandal brewing in plain sight for years, and the Eye says nothing about it, and when they finally have to acknowledge it, it's with a whole lot of both-sidesing and complaining about the toxic debate, and doing a little spin for the Labour front bench... that tells you something.

I keep coming back to it being a boys' club. I just don't think this was seen as being a significant issue, or at least not significant enough to risk the flak. I suspect even Helen Lewis's very mild takes drew some eyerolls.

Obviously not millions. But... How many would you consider an unacceptable number, then? Ballpark would do.

Me, I'm saying one is one too many. I would hope the vast majority of the public are decent enough to agree.

Well, thank you for confirming what we suspected, that there are people who just don't think it matters.

I would have expected MD to be more concerned about the clinics deliberately refusing to share data with a government medical review. A medical review so important that Parliament changed the law to allow the data to be gathered.

One, obviously. But then PE can hardly be accused of ignoring issues leading to deaths and life-changing effects on health, when you look at its record on covid, infected blood, subpostmasters driven to suicide, mental health provision, child poverty, the NHS, care homes, numerous wars ... There are countless ongoing issues giving risk to similar problems that, perforce, they can't cover; are we going to condemn them for failing to report on those as well?

I'm surprised PE didn't make more of the validating a lie / compelled speech aspect of pronouns. Freedom of speech is their bread and butter.

Failing to report on absolutely everything, no of course not.

Having the information at their disposal should they choose to listen to it, actively ignoring it and indeed proving they've learned fuck all from their Wakefield stance by taking the harmful, evidence-free, ideology-driven stance and dismissing reasonable concerns? Yes. Fuck yes.

I asked on another thread whether this be the historical precedent for how Private Eye does its reverse ferret.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2010/03/01/turning-a-blind-eye-to-the-truth/

FYI one is too many. How many do you think should be experimented on before you get to be concerned?

Is there a clip available?

Being, to coin a PE phrase, a bit of an old Spartist, I've always regarded Hislop is another posho public schoolboy wanker. As PP say, PE's lack of interest in the gender issue speaks volumes.

Hislop is yet another man who thinks he is more of a critical thinker than he is (and more amusing than he is), and appears to have got lazier in his thinking over the past few years. He might be partially redeemable in The Great Reverse Ferret of 2024, we shall see. I won't hold my breath though.

It's not one child, it's not millions of children.
Realistically, it's going to be (most likely tens of) thousands of children and young people who have had their lives damaged and cut short by "gender affirming care" 😢

Borrowing this from another thread, along with some comments that I made there in relation to the article:

If you substitute "blood scandal" with "gender affirming care" in the headline, it's pretty much word for word what we can expect to be reading in the future 😢
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68831061.amp

Those dying in their 40s and 50s or before will be as a result of increased cancer risk (e.g. testosterone-related cancer in the uterus, PB-related testicular cancer), complications from infections, potentially an observable rise in suicides (the Swedish 30 study showed that those who transition are 19% more likely to commit suicide than the general population when results are normalised for co-morbiditities such as autism and PTSD), cardiac issues in females who take testosterone (we already know about the effects of this in sports men and women - anabolic steroids are synthetic testosterone) and other causes.

Obviously all the other things that Private Eye could/should be incensed about are important but a medical scandal on the scale of what's happening currently to a significant number of confused and distressed children and young people is in a league of its own.

it does not say an entire generation, or say millions of kids. You know this anyway. what number of surgically altered kids is acceptable to you?

Just coming on to say that this makes me loves Alexander Armstrong even more.

Anyone seen the homage to Reservoir Dogs in "Meet the Richardsons" ? Pure class

Here is the image for posterity.

The children who are caught up in this aren’t stand alone. Each child has two parents, grandparents, siblings, cousins, friends and classmates. All those people are also affected by a child being experimented on.

I really agree with previous posters who feel that Ian hislop and other intelligent men just didn't see the issue. They don't really see women or women's issues and don't bother questioning their own lack of interest. I've seen it within my own friendship group, men who are quite politically engaged, generally intelligent just thinking it's a bit of a non issue and will blow over. And then some finally getting it around 4 years later. This lack of interest or value in women from intelligent men or politically engaged men has really helped to feed the problem.

Agree that Hislop is such a disappointment

Millions of children are having their minds mutilated by this Marxist gender bullshit, that’s for sure

I haven't read PI for a long time, and perhaps it has changed now, but to me it always seemed like a bit of a bastion of entitled upper-class maleness, full of the kind of men who were excluded from the company of females at boarding school and entirely immersed in the lad culture of hard-drinking male journalism. So, more or less regarding women as bits of skirt waiting to be either fucked or made the butt of sexist jokes and sexist gossip.

This is similar to the mindset of a lot of trans activism - a real lack of experience/ability when it comes to just seeing women as people. Immersed in one or other culture in which women are essentially sexualised beings that exist only in relation to men's desires.

So I would never have looked to PI to take any kind of intelligent view on the issue.