HIGNFY dipping a toe in

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Having a dig at Stoke hospitals 21 genders flag and the Scottish police for only arresting people on line

I mean it’s only taken several years

I watched the extended 45 minute edition last night on iPlayer but didn't see/hear anything about the hospital and the 21 gender flags (I did catch the Scotland hate crime question). I actually watched it twice in the end - my husband came home from a night out, so we watched it together the second time. I thought Hannah Fry was great at hosting this time (a vast improvement from the previous time) and really enjoyed the show, so I didn't mind watching it the second time.

I wonder if it's only in the shorter 30 minute version? That would be odd but it's possible.

Can anyone remember when it was in the show?

It’s got Armstrong hosting so I think you watched the wrong episode! It’s within the first few minutes.

Armstrong’s “now they’ve found a cure for cancer” is delivered casually but he knows what he’s doing. I will eat my hat if Jo doesn’t agree with him - she’s too astute and long in the tooth to play the virtue-signalling game.

Ah! That will explain it 😂

That also helps to make sense of the positive comments about Armstrong on here - I just assumed it was because he was another host. I hadn't RTFT, as I wanted to see it first and then read the comments properly, but I saw his name as I skimmed through.

So that's two episodes where there were questions. That's a second toe in the water, which is encouraging. Hopefully we'll get a hole foot in soon 🤞

The Scotland hate crime one in the episode that I saw was received with lots of derisive laughter, which was great to see.

I'm going to have to root through past copies of PE but the issue was briefly mentioned in a recent issue by the PE MD Phil Hammond and his stance was disappointing.

I'll go and look for it.

Found it. It was in 29 March issue so pre Cass but post NHS announcement of discontinuing PBs.
Much a brief mention one gets the impression it's not something he is keen to explore or comment on but felt obliged to come up with something so a brief fence sitting Be Kind (and careful).

If he had had stronger views that might have influenced IH but it's clearly not a direction they wanted to take. As pp have said, trans ideology is so ripe for poking fun at its hard to understand why they would have given it a swerve. I think it goes back to their "Wimmin" column poking fun at Dworkin.
Their mindset anything related to women's rights hasn't changed since then.

Where was this letter to Glinner?

Absolutely. Satire is brilliant when it skewers the powerful and corrupt. When it just mocks people who are easy targets, it’s worthless.

Here you go:

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ian-hislop-knew

Well, the times are definitely changing. Private Eye No 1622 has a full page "MD on GIDS and the Cass Report" with an excellent summary of Cass Report (sorry too much to summarise) Nothing new except the huge increase in referrals for assessment of neurodiversity. In my former CAMHS which I retired from 10 years ago..waiting lists are 8 years for neurodiversity and 14!!! years generally..the collapse of CAMHS (from cutbacks and bad management), a factor mentioned by Dr Cass.
Two further articles one about Maria Miller, Tory Chair of women and equalities select committee in 2016. It was enquiring on trans matters. "Although doctors told MPs the evidence base for adolescent transition was limited, the report nevertheless suggested "reducing the amount of time required for the assessment that service users must undergo before puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones can be prescribed. Her committee did not hear witnesses from any women's groups, saw little problem with putting trans women in women's jails and breezed past the genuine issue of long NHS waiting lists for transition care. Its flagship recommendation was gender self-ID which was Tory Party policy until 2020. The neighbouring article comments that Labour have changed their position and describes how the Greens taking a week to post a positive response and then deleting it as their alphabet soup group don't like it. The Lib Dem's deleted a negative response and have been silent ever since. Meanwhile the Scottish Greens and the SNP were hostile or claimed it didn't apply to them..pausing referrals for puberty blockers on 19th April.

Maybe Hislop is a secret MNer!

<waves>

Hope you're right...but I thought the same about Kathy Burke 😞

My favourite joke of all time was by Jo Brand back in the Friday Night Live days: "never trust a man with testicles". It's taken on a whole new dimension nowadays!

Reading Hislop's message to Glinner... Dear lord, what a patronising, sexist twat. Literally couldn't even bother his arse and find out what the wims were so aerated about, he was that smugly sure it couldn't be important.

Him, Ronson, O'Brian, O'Briain, Goldacre... I fucking despise them all.

... And I know, golden bridge and all that. But unless you're crossing that bridge with a fucking apology on your lips I reserve the right to think you're a wanker who's just done a better job of seeing the wind change.

Not a word about Scotland in yesterday's program or did it all kick off too late for a Thursday recording?

I should imagine it was too late. I think they record around lunchtime? Occasionally you see a breaking story being covered as a runner comes on with a message to the host/it comes through their earpiece but I should imagine the story was too nebulous at that point to be covered.

Lets see if they touch it next week.

Just coming on to say that this makes me loves Alexander Armstrong even more.

I agree that Hislop is prime Old Boys' Club and doesn't seem to see women's concerns as important. I can imagine he'd be a "calm down dear" type of person.

Too little, too late.

Basically yes. Same goes for Private Eye. Blown it. Latest edition of PE was frankly disappointing.

I've been really disappointed by Ian Hislop over this.

Private Eye is quick enough to point out cheating, lying, people being disingenuous elsewhere, and the whole gender identity bollocks is a prime example of all that. Yet he has said nothing.

He's a coward.

I'm not sure if IH is a coward. I think that he might just not actually care about women's rights, or their safe spaces. He has in the past as others have said displayed some fairly misogynistic behaviour. He's just another man happy to throw women under a bus IMO.

Far too late to retain any credibility.

HIGNFY had JK in the animated intro in the last series iirc....

I finally got round to watching the right episode 😁

It was good to see both Hat Trick (who make the programme) and the BBC (who aired the programme) daring to take a step in this direction. Obviously both organisations have a lot to do to redress the harm they have already done by embracing gender identity belief so fully (I'm not sure if Hat Trick's harm goes beyond what they have done to Graham Linehan but that's still harm)

I can't remember his exact quip but I thought it was interesting that Ian Hislop looked out in to the audience when he made a comment related to gender identity halfway through the programme. Perhaps he was testing things out a little bit. He often turns to the audience when he thinks he's got something particularly astute/controversial to say.