Is "openly Jewish" a hate crime under the April Fools Scottish hate crime law?

[lechiffre55]

A Metropolitan police officer threatened to arrest a man for being "Openly Jewish" in London. Is this a hate crime in Scotland under the new hate crime laws?

I think it is. Could someone report it for me please I find it incredibly offensive and racist. I want to see what happens when Scottish Police try to get involved with racist actions taken by the Metropolitan Police.

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1781393179683483960

That is fucking disgraceful!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

Happy to answer.

My point is, he does not wear the kippah in interviews

Many non-Orthodox Jews only wear it on a Saturday, usually when they've been to synagogue, i.e. the Sabbath.

You seem to forget that Israel is in the process of causing the most cruel and long planned genocide in Palestine.

You have no idea what I think about Israel so don't accuse me of forgetting anything. If you think what's happening in Gaza is justification for hostility and hatred towards Jews in London (or anywhere else for that matter) or goading Jews on Mumsnet, and that we should just be quiet about that because 'but Gaza', then there's a word for that.

Many Jews are openly condemning what Netanyahu and the IDF are doing right now, and have been doing for a very long time, since 1948, and even worse, since 1965.

I'm not interested in your grotesque good Jew/bad Jew pigeonholing, and as above, you have absolutely no idea what my views are on Israel (which incidentally will probably completely blow your mind, but I'm not obliged to 'make a statement' on that, nor denounce Israel).

It's not the Sabbath and on the way back from Synagogue when he's doing the interview. Like some people might wear a relatively modest dress or suit, maybe a hat or cover their shoulders and décolleté for Mass but wear something less formal/more revealing on a Saturday or work day. Or a white thobe for Mosque on a Friday, but a suit and tie for work.

Your prerogative. It is a fact that Jews, both in Israel and out, are very divided over this. Never mentionned 'good Jew/bad Jew. Some support Netanyahu and his genocide and wish to take over all Palestinian land. Others do not. Fact.

And this question 'I repat my question - would men dressed in 'Muslim/arabic' dress, be allowed to denounce Netanyahu and this war (not war at all, war has two sides) which is in fact a genocide.' ? I'd be truly interested in your answer. Does your version of freedom of speech and dress apply to all? Or not.

Saturday is Shabbat, if you were not formerly aware. This is the day when Jewish people go to the synagogue.

People in Muslim attire are a frequent sight on this demonstrations. Hijabs are very commonplace.

Your personal persepctive is not the same thing as truth or fact. Geniocide is a contesed term -woith along history. If Israel had really wanted to conduct a 'genocide' there would be no people left alive in Gaza at all - given Israel's military strength.

Genocide involves active intention to destroy a population for no other reason than hatred of that population. this is exactly what Hamas did on October 7th. It was not a miltary campaign - it was a campaign of terror - killing, beheading , rapoing , burning men women and children, and taking people hoistage.

They are missing you at Middle Eastern Conflict Board.
But since you are so interested, but clearly not knowledgeable in the matter, go and figure out who sentenced Moshe Katsav (former president of Israel) for prison. Hint: Judge was an Israeli Arab, muslim. No one bat an eye.

Now, it is your time to explain, why do you omit pogrom at the 7th, and how this is relevant to British citizen being imitated at the streets of London? You can't have it both ways. 2/3 of young British Jews already think about immigration to Israel. As someone so opposite to existence of Jewish state you should do everything to make sure those people start to feel safe in the UK.

Edit: As tonight its beginning of Pesach you will see more kippahs on the street. Hopefully celebrations won't be too provocative.

But what is this complete idiocy of being anti zionist I Wonder?
The state Israel was created by the UN in 1948. It was set up in the traditional jewish homelands where there already were jews living. The brits and the French «owned» this region after ww1 when they fought and won the Ottoman overlords. They fought with arabs from the area, but come on: The British and the French ruled the World at this point.
So the Israeli state is well established at this point in time. It cannot be undone. Except by massive bloodshed.

Lest we forget, the whole solid reason it was created as a nation state for jewish people in the first place was the Holocaust. How can people ignore this? It is so sad and unbelieveable.

In comparison, Ukraine gained their independence from Soviet/Russia in 1991. It had been a vassal state for centuries before that.

Oh really?

And yet the officer in question felt that quite strongly that the presence of a man who was 'openly Jewish' was both a provocation and a risk.

Funny, that.

Sorry for multiple typos - the edit function timed out.

A man wearing a yarmulke is alleged to be provocative, particularly because he doesn't have it glued to his head 24/7.... but the march was not anti Jew?

Yeah right. My arse.

Yeah right. And my other question, care to answer?

BEing anti Netanyahu and his genocide and every intention, for over 40 years, to take overPalestinian land, is NOT anti-Jew. Which is why so many Jews feel just the same.

You do know most of those allegations have been proven to be pure lies and propaganda, I hope.

Netanyahu has been waiting for this 'opportunity' for over 40 years- and it has been planned, for a very long time. And has been happening, bit by bit, in the cruelest and most disgusting of ways, since 1948, way before Netanyahu.

'People in Muslim attire are a frequent sight on this demonstrations. Hijabs are very commonplace.' and your point is?

Would they be allowed outside a Jewish school or Synagogue? You know very well that the clear answer is NO.

Your use of Left wing Jews is not a get out clause for anti semitic rhetoric. There is a long history, going back to Stalin, in which Left wing Jews have had to denounce Zionism to be deemed acceptable in Left wing circles. The Jews that prioritised their Jewish identity over their identity as 'International Socialists/Communists were never to be forgiven by Stalin. It brought out age old anti semitic sentiments that the Jews wete duplicitous and loyal only to themselves.

Most Jewish people have Zionist sympathies -just as most Muslims, clearly, feel some kind of loyalty to their bretheren in other countries; why else would so many British Muslims be so enraged about a war going on in the Middle East? However, let's not forget that there are Iranian-Muslim dissidents in Britain, and in Iran, who have every sympathy with Israel in its war against Iranian sponsored terrorism.

Don't be ridiculous! I live in a constituency which has multiple religious buildings: temple, churches, mosque and synagogue and people "walk past" them wearing their traditional and/or religious attire all of the time. What planet do you live on? We live in a multi-cultural society in which tolerance is to be expected.

Did I mention 'left-wing'

and what is your point. Being anti Zionism is not being antisemitic.

Any Jew who believes that the land of Israel was empty, and belong to them in its entirity, because that is written in the book- are par-taking in this genocidal war- which began far far before october 7th. Constant and illegal occupation, lad grabs, persecution, akin to apartheid, has been going on for such a long time.

Please tell me what will happen to Palestine when the war ends. Do you believe in a two-State solution?

Wow! You are serious? You simply cannot stand the cognitive dissonance of the reality of what actually happend on October 7th.

You can only cope with the reality of Palestinian children being killed, but not Jewish children being tied together before being set alight - on purpose -and for social media posts.

Zealotry can make one blind to the truth, as we see so often with trans activism.

I disagree! I suggest you go away and do some research on the origins of anti semtism and the ways it has manifested over the centuries.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/11/protesters-extreme-anti-semitic-signs-pro-palestinian-march/

You may not want to read it all as need to pay but it does state that Jewish people were escorted away for their own safety not that Palestinian protesters were threatened with arrest for being in the area. Police were seeking those with Hamas headbands and blatant anti semetic placards afterwards though.

"FACT."

• Yep that's exactly how it works, when you post in all caps that proves you are right. Using the word fact makes it double true. That's exactly how it works.....

This is what we have to deal with; self-righteous vicious anti-semitic twats. Sure, those Israeli women raped themselves.
This person would be first in line to herd me off to the concentration camp, just like the Germans who wiped out my grandfather's family.

We were discussing hate crime, and went on to discuss the rise in anti semitism. Not Netanyahu (whom I personally detest) fungipie.

Read the OP again for the context of the discussion.

Shouting "scum" and other insults at an English citizen as you march past, whatever his reason for being there, strikes me and many other people as Jew hate. In the same way that Manchester schoolgirls, are having "Yid" shouted at them each day as they go to and from their education.

To keep things brief, before you contine with the whataboutery, I've been in physical fear in the recent past for defending a young muslim woman with a baby in a pram being taunted to go back where she came from.

Everyone should be able to go about their daily lives without being in fear of verbal or physical abuse from others, particularly those made brave in a mob.

A wider discussion about Israel/Gaza is on another board. I'll go there if I've something to say on that.