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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC Radio Scotland

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ArtfullyCrumpled · 19/04/2024 10:36

Shocking interview on BBC Radio Scotland this morning. . Interviewee passionate about stopping his 10-year-old daughter’s puberty after deciding she was a boy before she could talk.

It's shocking, it's gaslighting. Bbc should be safeguarding children. WTF?

Link to journalist on Twitter who captured it x.com/journalismseen/status/1781228440701550786?s=46

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Whatevershallidowithmylife · 20/04/2024 21:46

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 21:25

The man gave a very honest account of his situation. Everyone here seems to have heard him say that he started to treat his child as a boy before he could talk but HE DID NOT SAY THAT!!!
he said that his child showed signs of distress when being referred to as female, very different thing. He did not say that from then on he was treated as a boy.
the man is clearly a very attentive father who pays attention to his child.
I applaud him. All he asked for was that each case should be looked at individually, who can argue with that?!?

I and probably hundreds of thousands of people could argue a child has no idea what is male and what is female before they can even speak! Load of rubbish.

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 21:48

I think any good parent can pinpoint what is upsetting their child especially if it’s repeated. Do you not agree that it should be case by case though?!?

CactusBasket · 20/04/2024 21:54

No, I don't. This is a ten year old girl whose options are now a normal female puberty with some mental distress, or a false male puberty with ongoing lifelong medical treatment, for which there is poor evidence of benefit and much evidence of harm.

And it's all so pointless.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/04/2024 21:56

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 21:48

I think any good parent can pinpoint what is upsetting their child especially if it’s repeated. Do you not agree that it should be case by case though?!?

Children are entitled to be allowed to grow and develop without being gaslit that their bodies are wrong and that a sex change will fix them.
No child is born in the wrong body. Every child must be allowed to go through puberty, to develop physically, emotionally and psychologically.

Think you're the opposite sex as an adult - that's up to you. Tell children they must be the opposite sex is child abuse.

sanluca · 20/04/2024 21:57

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 21:48

I think any good parent can pinpoint what is upsetting their child especially if it’s repeated. Do you not agree that it should be case by case though?!?

To send this girl into menopause age 10, before she has even started her periods? No, I don't think that that is a good idea.

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 22:00

That’s just your opinion. Others might say that children’s views should be respected especially if it’s causing them to be upset. You have absolutely no basis to say that the child was gaslit. Zero!
are you saying that children who are trans should not be taken seriously? Maybe you don’t know about the amount of trans kids that actually take their own lives

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 22:03

thats your opinion. My point is that the father has done absolutely nothing wrong.

Myalternate · 20/04/2024 22:03

Your point is wrong.

GCITC · 20/04/2024 22:04

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 22:00

That’s just your opinion. Others might say that children’s views should be respected especially if it’s causing them to be upset. You have absolutely no basis to say that the child was gaslit. Zero!
are you saying that children who are trans should not be taken seriously? Maybe you don’t know about the amount of trans kids that actually take their own lives

Love to see your source on this with a comparison to mental illnesses.

ThomasinaLivesHere · 20/04/2024 22:07

Others might say that children’s views should be respected especially if it’s causing them to be upset

So they’re upset because they believe a monster is under their bed - do you respect that or try to parent them? Child led in most cases is just disastrous especially when it comes to health care.

Igneococcus · 20/04/2024 22:07

Have you ever met a child, pitta?

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 20/04/2024 22:09

I thought Munchausens by proxy too. One thing I wonder is how many cases existed like this that just weren't publicized because it wasn't trendy yet. I bet a lot of nasty things went on behind closed doors.

Esgaroth · 20/04/2024 22:11

There's no way on God's green earth that a preverbal baby with no understanding of what sex she is was upset at being called a girl.

This is reminiscent of the shit about baby boys opening their vest poppers to make a 'dress' or baby girls pulling clips out of their hair. Just utter bullshit.

Do you have children? If you agreed with all the daft nonsense they come out with you'd completely destabilise them and their understanding of the world. We can play along with a 3 year old who's being a cat, but we don't buy her some dreamies and take her to the vet to get her spayed.

It's abusive to tell children their bodies are wrong. Fucking end of. All children are perfect just the way they are.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/04/2024 22:11

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 22:00

That’s just your opinion. Others might say that children’s views should be respected especially if it’s causing them to be upset. You have absolutely no basis to say that the child was gaslit. Zero!
are you saying that children who are trans should not be taken seriously? Maybe you don’t know about the amount of trans kids that actually take their own lives

Adults have a responsibility to safeguard children. We don't let 10 year olds smoke, get tattoos, have sex, drive and a host of other adult actions.

No society should allow children to harm their bodies, give up their future fertility, sex lives, physical and mental health - no matter how much a small number of adults demand that this happens.

Sad, upset, mentally unwell children need love, attention, care, parenting, along with relevant qualified therapeutic support.
They don't need activists telling them their bodies are wrong.

AuContraire · 20/04/2024 22:12

Oh wow, someone's actually come along to defend him.

ArabellaScott · 20/04/2024 22:12

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 21:48

I think any good parent can pinpoint what is upsetting their child especially if it’s repeated. Do you not agree that it should be case by case though?!?

How would this man have known his child was upset by being a girl if she was pre verbal? What would be the indications, can you suggest some specifics?

GCITC · 20/04/2024 22:12

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 21:25

The man gave a very honest account of his situation. Everyone here seems to have heard him say that he started to treat his child as a boy before he could talk but HE DID NOT SAY THAT!!!
he said that his child showed signs of distress when being referred to as female, very different thing. He did not say that from then on he was treated as a boy.
the man is clearly a very attentive father who pays attention to his child.
I applaud him. All he asked for was that each case should be looked at individually, who can argue with that?!?

His direct quote was, "My son, from an extremely young age, so, before he could talk, showed that he was visibly upset by being referred to as a girl...he has lived as a son all the way through his life, through nursery and primary school."

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 22:15

Look, monsters aren’t real but trans kids are real. Imagine nobody listening to you when you feel something so so much. Conversations and a lot of understanding from parents is what’s needed.
do you not think that kids can be trans?

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 22:16

Yeah but nursery age is 3, obviously he could talk by then

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 22:18

what about shaking their head or crying when you say something like “my gorgeous girl”. Not just once, OBVIOUSLY but if it happened repeatedly you’d notice it.

GCITC · 20/04/2024 22:19

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 22:18

what about shaking their head or crying when you say something like “my gorgeous girl”. Not just once, OBVIOUSLY but if it happened repeatedly you’d notice it.

What is a 12 months old concept of boy and girl?

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 22:20

I suppose depends on the kid

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 22:22

Do you think trans kids don’t exist?

Esgaroth · 20/04/2024 22:23

Babies don't know what boys and girls are. A baby on the verge of talking only realised their mother is a separate person to them a few months ago.

You'd have to be a complete moron to think your baby didn't want to be a girl.

ArabellaScott · 20/04/2024 22:27

Pitta567 · 20/04/2024 22:18

what about shaking their head or crying when you say something like “my gorgeous girl”. Not just once, OBVIOUSLY but if it happened repeatedly you’d notice it.

Preverbal. How would a child express upset at being referred to as a girl when they are pre verbal? We are talking under a year old.

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