Miriam Cates/National Conservatives conference

[AdamRyan]

Miriam Cates was due to speak at the NatCon conference in Brussels tomorrow, on the topic of "Save The Children!"
The conference has been shut down because the Mayor will not tolerate the far right.

Here is a tweet to GB news discussing why the conference was shut down:

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1780239986861744280?s=19&t=hHgjMANzaGdj92-GTys1ig

I'm putting this here because I know a lot of GC feminists support Cates - I don't, and this stuff is why. She is awful.

https://twitter.com/martinabettt/status/1780235886573084747

Cates so desperate to be mixing with Europe's far right she apparently had to be smuggled in with a headscarf. That explains why she missed the vote last night.

Bless her though. She's just a mum. Wouldn't we all hang out with fascists, given the chance?

Or Lord Bamford

We don't own our children. They are not our possessions.

I recall walking in town and seeing a young mother with a toddler son in his pushchair. He was babbling away trying out his language skills, as toddlers do. But instead of a positive response from his mother he got a repeated scream of " Shut the Fuck Up". She was incredibly abusive. He looked confused and frightened. God knows what happens behind closed doors if this is how she behaves in public. I had to say to her that he was only trying to speak. i was told to "mind your own fucking own business , he's my fucking child". I said " No, he's not, you don't own him; you're supposed to be looking after him. He's only practicing his language skills"

I'm an ex teacher. - and personally feelt that children in the community are also my responsibility, especially when they are on their own.

Also If i see your darling children out breaking the branches off a tree, or torturing an animal, I'm going to tell them to stop, and so on.

If you had of seen my dd when she was 18months old eating chips and mayonnaise for her lunch whilst we were out at a restaurant would you similarly have had words with me?

@JessS1990 I don’t think Cates, or many on this board, have strong opinions on mayo. You know the "con" in "natcon" doesn't stand for condiments right?

Con is an accurate description of them.

I’m grateful to have been brought up with the benefit of all three of those statistically helpful and stable factors. I had friends in care who came from dysfunctional families in poverty. I think they would have been hugely helped if someone had done a better job of looking after them as children, whether through adoption, a charity, or the state.

If you’ve only seen kids in functional families, maybe you don’t see how much some of them need support from a much wider community than their frankly useless parents. This is not to blame the parents necessarily; parenting is hard for many of us, and some parents have been dealt an awful hand in life. SureStart was a decent attempt to support parents. I don’t know whether Miriam Cates agrees. I do know that her father was a GP in a practice which provided medical care for a lot of homeless and otherwise disadvantaged people.

I object to it because:

1. like 37% of people in this country, I am no religion and my kids are fine. As are most peoples. Also a strange thing to say at a conference where there was a session about "Florence Bergeaud-Blackler, Is Europe Really Aware of the Endogenous Islamist Threat?" Almost like she means one particular kind of faith but didn't want to explicitly say that because she knew it would go down badly

2. There is not statistically strong evidence that children from married families "flourish" and most people who get divorced don't do it for the lolz. There is however evidence that women and children in abusive households are traumatised and harmed by that. Which is the opposite of "flourishing".

3. the only thing on her list thats actually proven to make a difference is "material resources" AKA not living in poverty. Since the Conservatives came in children living in poverty in this country has gone up hugely - I would love it if she did something about that but she doesn't GAF. If she did she couldn't be a member of this government.

Mainly I dislike her because she has far right associations and says far right things.

I’ll just point out that you’ve conflated Islam with Islamism.

Mainly I dislike her because she has far right associations and says far right things

Like TWAM?

If I were Sunak I'd want to know why Cates and Braverman weren't in Parliament doing their jobs.

Sigh.

I term myself as a centre left sort but when it comes to GC politicians, the ideology has a pan-political pushback.

Miriam Cates, Kemi Badonoch, Rosie Duffield and Tonia Antoniazzi come from both sides of the Chamber and whilst a lot of what they stand for, I don't, I do agree with their stance of women's rights.

I'm no political zealot. I don't hate any politician just because they are NatCon or Socialist or whatever else. I don't hate them because they belong to a particular political party. I disagree with Labour and strongly disagree with the Tories.

I don't think anyone should be denied the right to speak. I don't think any event should be closed down because someone or some people disagree with what might be discussed there. I don't agree with comedy, music or theatre productions being cancelled because some people find the person featured in it reprehensible. That is very wrong.

If you don't like something, you don't have to engage with it. You can ignore it. I would have paid this conference no attention. Now it's been cancelled, how can anyone not have an opinion? It's been all over the media!

Were they locked in a flat with "bad people"?

Ive heard this excuse trotted out frequentły. Itʼs a craven cop-out. The trouble is if you are visiting her X timełine (or similar) youʼre boosting her algorithm and ałtering your own algorithm. Ergo, you are helping the Tories. It makes no difference if you don't directly vote for her.

It is rare for a politician to stray from the party line, either; so if you agree with one or two things she says, it is likely you'll agree with others. I'm sure you're intelligent enough not to be a single-issue voter, though.

Ive heard this excuse trotted out frequentły. Itʼs a craven cop-out. The trouble is if you are visiting her X timełine (or similar) youʼre boosting her algorithm and ałtering your own algorithm. Ergo, you are helping the Tories. It makes no difference if you don't directly vote for her.

What a world we live in now

Sorry but this is playground level analysis. Taking a look at a twitter post doesn't convert into helping a political party. As for arguing that "if you agree with one or two things she says, it is likely you'll agree with others" 😂
Agreeing with you stating what time it is or that the sky is blue and sea is wet does not equate to me agreeing with any other of your beliefs or statements.

The level of debate on this thread is at times sadly lacking.

RebelliousCow · Yesterday 13:00
MrsSkylerWhite · Yesterday 12:21

anothernamitynamenamechange ·Yesterday 22:17
I just read about the conference being closed down and was shocked actually”

Why do you find it shocking that right wing extremists were closed down?
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They are mainstream Conservative figures from across Europe. They are not illegitimate terrorist organisations.
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Are you aware of what totalitarianism means and how it operates?.

They were mainstream.
Yes, thank you.

Don't be stupid!

Miriam Cates was voted in using a democratic process.

Twix algorithms are not a democratic process and everyone has the right to look at whatever account they want to.

If you allow algorithms to control you and your behaviour, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

Islam is a religion, Islamism is a political ideology.

Let's split hairs to pretend the title of that speech wasn't incredibly anti-muslim and also right wing!

Nope, nothing to see here.

Would you have had words?

About what?

Being able to differentiate between one type of thing and another is a very useful skill.

Feeding an 18month old chips for lunch. (regularly I might add).