Miriam Cates/National Conservatives conference

[AdamRyan]

Miriam Cates was due to speak at the NatCon conference in Brussels tomorrow, on the topic of "Save The Children!"
The conference has been shut down because the Mayor will not tolerate the far right.

Here is a tweet to GB news discussing why the conference was shut down:

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1780239986861744280?s=19&t=hHgjMANzaGdj92-GTys1ig

I'm putting this here because I know a lot of GC feminists support Cates - I don't, and this stuff is why. She is awful.

I'm going to end up
Voting Tory just to spite Adam at this rate.

Everyone who doesn't agree with the Guardian is far right these days.

Or am I wrong - What do the far right believe?

Me too!
Oh and 'it takes a village to raise a child'.

I'd really prefer other parents kept their beak out of "reprimanding" my children. Ditto "interventions". Smug parents with no idea about specific family circumstances rarely add much positive to those situations imo.

Knock yourself out. I'll still think you are great for what you do for women. Without being judgy/preachy/over politicised or taking other women's credit.

Possibly.
There will always be war and persecution somewhere and there's no such thing as infinite resources, material or social, so anyone serious about actually helping in a sustainable manner would have to prioritise x number of the most needy.
Easier said than done of course but that's the approach I personally would take were I in power.

Did you see the screenshot above? Or read the links to Hungary?
Do you disagree that Orban is far right?

If you think he's "just a conservative" would you support his politics here?

I was hoping you'd use your own words. Like what do they believe, why they're wrong, that sort of thing.

Only possibly?

So kindness to others is limited, interesting.

I've done that on the last KJK thread. Suggest you go and read it, and maybe read Umberto Eco's essay about fascism. B0th will help you see where I'm coming from.

Without wishing to start an argument. Yes kindness to others is limited. There aren't infinite resources, material, social, and psychological - no matter how you redistribute things you will come to a limit at some point. And at that point you have to make hard choices and limit the kindness you wish you could dish out.

I'm sure you can think of plenty of examples in your own personal life and you can times that 70 million when you're trying to run the country and by 8 billion if you're trying to save the world. Resources are limited and £10 you give to Cancer Relief is £10 you can't give to Alzheimers Research. An hour you spend talking to your depressed best friend is an hour you can't give to your lonely elderly mum. There are trade offs all over the place.

Should we though show those seeking sanctuary here as much kindness as we can, or instead spend a lot of money in order not to be kind to them?

@AdamRyan

You have become the new 'but Corbyn'

😂thats probably true

I am impressed by the calmness shown when others are clearly just out to have an arguement because their darling should not be challenged.

It might help if Lord Ashcroft paid his £500m tax bill. Or Sunak paid the same tax rate as a nurse. Or Frank Hester donated his £15m to charity rather than Tories.

There seem to be very few people hoarding an awful lot of the Earth's resources to be honest. And using them to launch penis shaped rockets into space.

I think the Rwanda policy is a bad idea. It doesn't make Miriam Cates far right though.

Like I said, Adam, redistribute things any way you like but there will still come a point where you reach a limit. Even where they went full hard Communism, redistributed as hard as they could, they didn't reach infinite resources.

You can't have open borders and a welfare state. Therefore, you make a hard choice. To me the most sensible choice, is a little of column A, a little of column B.
That's compatible with accepting many refugees - not all, unfortunately, and accepting many economic migrants- not all, unfortunately, and making life better for them and still good for the people already here.

The Rwanda policy was never an actual policy. It was a pretend policy to try and scare people off.

She does support the policy though, which does tell us something about how much she cares about desperate people fleeing persecution who are seeking sanctuary.

In regard to refugees, I wouldn't accept healthy young males; they should be working to change their nation like Ukraine and Iran.
Women and children fleeing FGM and Nigerian Christians, religious oppression are fine too. They also want to learn and aquire the values of their new culture, if they don't already share them.

You'd leave young men who worked with the British forces in Afganistan to their fate?

Miriam Cates will, she voted in favour of it today

Shame the Tories have spunked £500 million on it. Still, maybe they can get that back from Lord Ashcroft.