Miriam Cates/National Conservatives conference

[AdamRyan]

Miriam Cates was due to speak at the NatCon conference in Brussels tomorrow, on the topic of "Save The Children!"
The conference has been shut down because the Mayor will not tolerate the far right.

Here is a tweet to GB news discussing why the conference was shut down:

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1780239986861744280?s=19&t=hHgjMANzaGdj92-GTys1ig

I'm putting this here because I know a lot of GC feminists support Cates - I don't, and this stuff is why. She is awful.

Banal comment.

I agree wholeheartedly.
Also with the idea of the government incentivising women to be stay at home wives. I think its quite dangerous for women to be financially dependent on men.

There are also her views on abortion too.

@AdamRyan - I find that these are people who have probably been agitated by the idea of homosexuality and will do anything not to consider people in the round. They are the same people who beat up gays and lesbians and spend their time talking about predators.

Statistically children do not have to worry about gays or lesbians. Public policy on safeguarding should be looking at heterosexual men. Because that is the risk. The marriage is my compact bridge and God as my guide for the order of good society never engage with this. That is for us difficult feminists who like actual evidence

The less acuitive will always confuse lesbian and homosexuals with deviants.

It's quite depressing.

You really like to manipulate facts don't you? Nobody has suggested that peaceful protest should be banned. I'd like to see your evidence for suggesting anyone has.

But if you are talking abour the regular Pro- Palestinian protests, they are not entirely peaceful - they have many attendees who espouse hate and practice violence. The police need to be more pro-active in a targeting those who seek to stir hatred of the sort that results in Jewish people being targeted just for being Jewish.

You really like to manipulate facts don't you?

This seems to be a common theme amongst some posters... 🤔

Gay men are as prone as heterosexual men. The common denominator is being male. Males are far more prone to predatory and violent behaviour.

Nobody is forcing you to stay at home if you want to go out to work. Though some people do think it would be a positive move if women that wanted to stay home in a child's early years were able to, and that choice could be supported.

You say you are a centrist - yet you push everything to its most most extreme and hyperbolic conclusion - and turn the mere existence of differing perspectives into enemy action.

You do know that it is possible for someone to have a personal faith and accompanying views and yet accept that the common consensus is different to that, and be accepting of that.

One person's "espousing hate" is another person's "freedom of speech".

I do find it quite funny that Braverman spoke at this conference whilst also being a proponent of banning "hate marches". Huge double standards.

So in your opinion all men are dangerous deviants. Interesting.

Apologies I'm off topic.

You're taking a swing at everyone tonight 😂😂

So you are supportive of the Brussels mayor and the police there in confronting those who sought to stir hatred earlier in the week?

Such a shame that the current government has for 14 years made that more difficult.
Presumably Cates isn't a supporter of them?

You really aren't as smart as you think you are. Pathetic.

She mentions this here:

As individuals we must make choices based on the best interests of our nearest and dearest. This means, for example, that for a woman being abused by her husband or partner, the best possible choice she can make for herself and her children is to end the relationship.

https://thecritic.co.uk/confected-outrage-doesnt-change-the-facts-about-the-family/

Interesting article.

@OldCrone - but she doesn't vote for something that takes the moral sting out of divorce and helps the woman. Her beliefs mean she won't.

That's what I mean. Btw I'm not a Christian so I'm unlikely to ever agree with her philosophy; religious thought and particularly Christianity hasn't been supportive of women and any of the freedoms I enjoy.

Jacob Rees Mogg is a case in point (someone no doubt AdamRyan regards as extreme right wing). He is personally against abortion but accepts that the consensus is in favour and that he would not legislate against the consensus. I have no problem with that. Or with him opposing abortion without time limit or trying to persuade people to his point of view by argument. I disagree with him on many issues but even I can see that the man clearly separates his faith from politics. He should be allowed to say how his faith informs his views and morality without attracting the cancel mob.
Some on the left throw around the label of bigot very freely and yet they seem to fit the actual description of bigots rather well.

Jacob Rees Mogg is essentially a richer,male Miriam Cates, without the "conversion therapy" background.

In days gone by he would have been just hanging around being eccentric on the back benches, rather than being put forward as any form of serious politician.

He also was at NatCon last year IIRC but seems to have swerved it this year. Perhaps Viktor Orban was a step too far for him.

Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

Hmm. I probably am obstinately attached to my opinion that I don't think fascists should have any place in UK politics. And I probably would be prejudiced against fascists if I met them.

I'm an anti-fascist bigot. Who'd have thought it.

@AdamRyan

That's what the danger is. Of course you aren't a "frothing right wing bigot". You get exposed to this kind of stuff, you think "oh she seems sensible, I like her", read more of her stuff and it pushes the Overton window gradually right until before you know the British equivalent of Viktor Orban or Donald Trump seems like a good idea.

This is absolutely true. And if that equivalent is saying the right things - ie. we will safeguard children, protect women's spaces - they will receive the votes, regardless of any other concerning policies they might have.