Miriam Cates/National Conservatives conference

[AdamRyan]

Miriam Cates was due to speak at the NatCon conference in Brussels tomorrow, on the topic of "Save The Children!"
The conference has been shut down because the Mayor will not tolerate the far right.

Here is a tweet to GB news discussing why the conference was shut down:

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1780239986861744280?s=19&t=hHgjMANzaGdj92-GTys1ig

I'm putting this here because I know a lot of GC feminists support Cates - I don't, and this stuff is why. She is awful.

Thank you for a sensible response. We should all care.

Ah the mothers. Of course.
I am a mother. And I'm on here. The obsession with "safeguarding" children is beyond all reason. "Safeguarding" is risk based. It isn't making up fantasy scenarios and then demanding the relevant authorities protect children from them (such as children identifying as cats at school and eating out of bowls like an animal, to use a recent example).

I'm guessing you prefer the USA using a senile puppet to achieve their aims 🙄

Not that choosing Trump is a smart move.

The American people are being led by the nose either way. For dubious reasons.

But that's another topic.

It's been beyond reason for many years well before the cat story.

Just quoting myself to say I was joking. But......
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5057460-a-corpus-assisted-discourse-analysis-of-linguistic-transphobia-on-mumsnet

@justasking111 - did I offer an endorsement of Joe Biden. No I did not. Peter Thiel is someone who thinks Trump's attempts to overturn a democratic result were reasonable. I do not think the backing of such a man is a ringing endorsement for the NatCon movement.

I used to think I was significantly left of centre. In doing so, I ignored my instinctively conservative (small c) leanings, and comforted my self with the fact that I had moved in a “progressive” direction. Then I discovered that my allies, the people I always agreed with or at least respected for their defensible views, were nutjobs who apparently believed that you could change sex, and that gender stereotypes were mappable onto sex, which therefore had to become a spectrum as everyone knows that most people are not completely stereotypically masculine or feminine.

This has thrown all my political assumptions up in the air. I am still most unlikely to vote Conservative, because they show consistently that they value themselves more than they value road diggers, single parents, and people down on their luck (such as poor people in need of health care). But that doesn’t mean that I always disagree with Conservative politicians or always agree with Labour ones. Like many people, I puzzle over different worldviews and do not jump right in with any worldview just because someone says something that makes sense to me. And I have learned not to make blanket assumptions about people based on their political allegiance. Most of the time, anyway!

Safeguarding is every adult's business - no matter how much some people would like it not be. Vigilance without becoming paranoid.

Those who smear safeguarding as right wing paranoia don't do children any favours.

Careful, Trump isn't far right you know!

You may have your words a little jumbled.
The right are using safeguarding to create paranoia.

Trump could be right of Atilla the Hun but it's the business of the American people who they vote for.

I'm not keen on the way our children are being raised to be risk averse on the one hand whilst on the other hand being neglected by feckless parenting.

Safeguarding is crossing over with the US narrative of "groomers". The UK does not yet have this explicit narrative of groomers, but it can discuss safeguards in the context of heterosexuality. It's pretty much the same thing but with less spittle

I don't have my words jumbled. But I'm not going to weaponise safeguarding children on this thread.

Safeguarding means you have to be prepared to consider the unthinkable, listening, observing and taking what children say seriously. If that's not important to some posters on here then that's their call.

When someone shows you who they are and all that.

I seem to recall there used to be a scheme that was quite successful that supported parents. I can't quite remember the name something like StartSure. Do we know what ever happened to it?

Do we think the 8 ex Tory MPs who have to sit as independents are the result of feckless parenting?

Conspiracy thinking at its finest. Along with a big dose of paranoia.

People cannot have genuinely different perspectives to the ones you have taken on board. They have to have a sinister motive and are just using subterfuge to disguise the fact.

You must surely know about that yourself?

That's because some people in the U.k can think for themselves.

Sure Start, I'm not sure in our county. We've moved on since then to early start nursery and free school meals for all.

That's the one. I understand it was quite successful, whatever happened to it?

I'm conscious that this is sex and gender board which was designed to consider the challenges of transgenderism. And yes there is a safeguarding issue.

But one of the reasons I dislike Cates so much is that really, her views of the freedoms of women that don't conform to her views are problematic. She doesn't agree with no fault divorce owing to her views on marriage, for example. I think it's a good idea. The safeguarding of children is actually something that is connected to family life and the ability of a woman to leave and protect her children imo if the man is abusive or violent. Simplifying divorce and removing that element of judgment would help.

Statistically this is greatest risk to children and women is from
the man that lives with them in the home which is ignored by Cates. That is just one example.

I think with all politicians we don't have to agree blindly all their views. Especially around election time.

Pick the best of the bunch and hope they don't get swallowed up by the machine.

There are British people on twitter trying hard with "groomers" also

😂
Strangely that doesn't appear to apply to people who do things like attend right wing conferences or take money of Amerincan Christian conservative bodies

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