Women's rights general conversations - Thread 8

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 7.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

The SNP, who last year, were putting forward proposals to allow 16 year olds to become MSP's. In between finishing their Highers I suppose.

I can't say this comes as a surprise -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80x159nzrjo

Not gonna lie, felt sure that was going to be another article about drag queens.

I saw a headline that the SNP didn't receive a single donation in the week immediately before the election.

The BBC does occasionally produce stuff that isn't about drag

www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2024/07/16/olympic-superstar-bbc-two-review-daley-thompson-olympics/

https://archive.ph/IaayK run, jump, throw yourself over the paywall

Daley, I believe, has consistently supported Sharron Davies and other GC women. It's not mentioned in the review though. If it comes up in the documentary I'll eat my TV.

Pleasant surprise on opening my mammogram screening letter (to offset the ridiculously early hour of the appointment). 'The radiographers are a team of women', 'some women find it uncomfortable'. Not a 'people with breasts' in sight.

Unlike that one at the Orange march. Very unladylike behavior, which made me wonder, but mostly I just laughed. The bodhran was genius.

I've not seen footage- where did the bodhran come into it?

https://x.com/mickeypeedia/status/1811840496714534940

Carrying a bodhran when other people are carrying Lambeg drums is a statement in itself - the facial resemblance to Liz Truss is the icing on the cake.

12-19 seconds for peak unladylike

Just a general reminder for posters like me who don’t have children - schools have already broken up in some parts of the country. Just reading some threads elsewhere on MN and wondering wtf some people are on - then I looked at the calendar. Brace yourselves.

Yes, I've noticed an uptick in nastiness across the boards since the schools broke up.

Where is your local DUP councillor when you need him? In 2011 a farmer saw Rihanna filming a video in one of his fields in Co.Down, and asked her to cover up..
"It wasn't a case of being scantily clad - it was a case of part of the clothing being missing altogether, let's put it that way," Mr Graham recalled.
"I spoke first of all to the filming crew and explained to them that this was over and at that stage Rihanna wrapped herself up very nicely and came over and we had a very short conversation but a courteous conversation."
He also said that he didn't think young women should have to take their clothes off to entertain.

Presumably Mr Graham doesn't belong to the same Lodge as 'Orange Lil'..

I have absolutely no idea what's going on here, can someone enlighten me?

Bodhrans are used in Irish traditional music. That's an Orange march. Total cultural mismatch in every way imaginable. See also the Down farmer's reaction to Rihanna mentioned upthread.

Not sure where you're from @FleshLiabilities - it's a UK thing.

It would baffle a lot of the UK, too - it's very much an NI thing (and bits of Scotland).

All the Orange (loyalist, Protestant) lodges march on 12 July, with flute bands, drums, and very smart band uniforms. Usually cheered on by men who really shouldn't take their tops off but do. It's the biggest day of the Loyalist year.

The woman marching alongside them has crashed the march dressed in a decidedly unsuitable version of the uniform and carrying the wrong drum (bear in mind this is somewhere where even the cakes and how you pronounce H have a 'side', drums are highly symbolic). The flashing is in many ways the smallest part of the transgression.

Sorry FleshLiabilities, we took a bit of a detour there!
The Orange Order is a conservative, militantly Protestant, vehemently British Loyalist, anti-Catholic organisation in Northern Ireland [plus a less politicised presence in a few other countries].
The image of a scantily-clad woman exposing her breast in the middle of their big annual celebration on 12th July is jawdroppingly out of place; as is the bodhrán she's carrying, as it is a traditional Irish instrument.

Additional note. Lodges and bands are very male.

Where did she appear from? Was it sabotage? Performance art? Or is the Orange Order er.. modernising?

Performance art is my guess, Jamie Bryson (Loyalist narco gangster/community leader) is furious on xTwitter, demanding identification and arrest. It's quite civilized in a way, a couple of decades back people were murdered for less.

Anything that happens in Scotland and NI and describes itself as 'British cultural tradition' is a UK thing, however much people from the other nations attempt to disown it.

Thanks for the fada @MarieDeGournay , I really need to find my way around this keyboard. And thanks Bint for the cakes, we all know about (shudder) traybakes .

Liverpool has Orange marches as well - so England Scotland and NI - and I have heard that some of the Scottish ones can get nasty.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I'm aware of the Orange marches, but couldn't for the life of me work out what the Truss-alike was doing and why, what point she's was trying to make. Thanks for the explanations.

Same here. She looked liked she'd been on a pride march and got lost.

I took a day trip to London once with some friends, ooh, must have been forty years ago. We happened across an orange order march along one of the big streets i think near Buck House. We sat and watched it because of the bands, we didn't have the foggiest about the politics, what they were about. If someone had told us it was celebrating citrus we would have believed them. I remember a fair number of Police but no demonstrations or protesters.

Brave woman.

Anything that happens in Scotland and NI and describes itself as 'British cultural tradition' is a UK thing, however much people from the other nations attempt to disown it.

It's not that they'd disown it so much as having absolutely no idea about what it is or why. Or that it happens at all. Can't speak for Wales, but most of England hasn't a clue about the 12th, the Orange order, or any of that. At most they're vaguely aware that some Liverpool and Glasgow football teams hate each other for religious reasons.

Growing up in SE Englad I was better informed that most probably -.keen follower of the news, could name several of the paramilitary groups and tell you which side they were on, had heard of the Easter rising and could give a very brief summary of the Home Rule arguments that led up to it. But the funny men in bowler hats seen in the background of some of the footage? No idea. Something like the Masons, I assumed.

I don't think crashing someone else's march/event is good no matter who's doing it- and I'm frankly sick of seeing women in such states of undress. If a point was being made I doubt anyone got it.