Women's rights general conversations - Thread 8

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Continuation of Thread 7.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Yeah...I find it weird too, a bit of a curates egg. There's a statement from KB that she seems to have issued after the decision. I can't recall where I read it.

I remember when she first popped up my kneejerk reaction 'urgh Tory', then 'urgh free school'. Life was so much simpler then 😃 and so was I.

Iirc the girl complaining, it was said she seems to have been coached. Her mum (suspected of doing the coaching) is sending another child to the school and is fomenting another legal complaint.

The whole thing that children who weren't particularly observant, at least during school, suddenly desperately wanting to pray ('I just want to pray!') reminds me of some sort of social contagion. Or possibly a way of kicking off because they're so tightly buttoned down. Or both.

And it's absolute nonsense - I taught in Turkish schools for a couple of years and despite all the children being nominally Muslim, and many of them from very religious backgrounds, and the school being run by a Vakif (religious foundation), there was no provision for prayer and no pressure from the parents to provide it.

I feel sad, seeing little girls in hijab, while their brothers romp around in normal clothes. Fine when you're an older child (teenager) or an adult, your clothing choices are your own.

I just read a post

Not this crap again

Imagine that being the sum total of thoughts. It makes me concerned for our dc

Nice new thread.

I didn't put anything away on the old thread on an analogy with the community hall where the craft group I've joined meets. For the first few weeks I was diligent about stacking chairs at the end of the morning, and then one of the other woman told me I really didn't need to because 'the lads' did it and that was part of what my tenner a month paid for. I'd hate to deprive 'the lads' of their lawful amusements.

Hello new thread.

I'm trying to remember how much praying we did at school. We had assembly every morning but I don't think we prayed at that although I could be wrong. We had school mass once a week on a Friday and sometimes class mass in the actual chapel, so there was that. But as far as I recall we didn't pray every day and we were a Catholic school - hence weekly mass - so I don't see why non-religious schools should have to pray at all. Those are my dull opinions on the matter.

My English (secular) schools did have an assembly with prayers every morning, and the early years in infant school ended with a short hymn and prayer.

In Ireland there was no morning assembly, but a lot of the teachers would say a prayer at the start of their lesson, and some of them would interrupt a lesson to say the Angelus at 12.00.

We had an assembly with hymns and stuff and you could get out if it for being a different religion but not for being atheist which seemed unfair.

Mainly though, while the no religion aspect of the Michaela School is good, the school sounds grim in other respects (it’s also in a really depressing looking building). I know the parent of someone who started teacher training there but left as they found the discipline regime oppressive.

I don't agree with that, Artant, sorry. I do agree the buildings are awful, but the ethos seems to produce mostly happy kids (which is the most important thing) and very good exam results. Children crave order, IME.

I've written to them to request a tour as I'm applying to be a school governor, and they are the absolute extreme, so I'd like to understand more about what they do and why.

Isn't the strictness on behaviour in the corridors because it's a converted office block so the corridors are narrower than in a purpose built school so they have to move quickly and with purpose; plus the corridors is where a lot of bullying happens in many schools?

I was quite moved by what KB posted today after the verdict.

Someone in my book group was vehemently anti KB hissing 'she's a fascist', but then she's on the Libdem women's committee and thinks TWAW so I discount what she says, except for when we're chatting socially when she's good fun.

Snap!

Glad to have caught one from the outset.

My primary and secondary schools (1950s and 60s) had a standard for the times morning assembly - a hymn, a prayer, a Bible reading (secondary school, not primary) and a homily from the head teacher, plus sports results and any necessary bollocking, which might have included hymn practise if it was thought our singing wasn't up to scratch.

Most of us grew up as cheerful atheists in consequence of this, but I am actually grateful for a fairly extensive knowledge of the Bible and the English hymnal.

Most of us grew up as cheerful atheists in consequence of this, but I am actually grateful for a fairly extensive knowledge of the Bible and the English hymnal.

Considering the significant impact the Bible has had on European and American history and culture, I definitely think it should be taught. Not to say a secular school needs to devote assemblies or separate lessons to it, but it does provide a context necessary for certain topics in certain humanities subjects, particularly history and English Literature.

I'm probably wrong about us not praying every day, but Catholic school, convent school at, so it would probably have been odd if we didn't. But we were all Catholics so praying was our thing.

I think if you're at a religious school you should expect prayers and if you're not then there should be no praying.

I rarely see the Michaela kids (it’s very near me and I used to see kids from the local academy or the lycée (if I was late) on my way to the tube when I was commuting but only occasionally saw Michaela kids) so opinion based what my friend said about her offspring’s time training there. It’s possible it was just a spectacularly bad fit of trainee teacher and school.

I wonder what they are taught about gender woo at that school. As they are so ‘black and white’. One assumes it is biological, 2 sexes all the old fashioned facts. With a bit of each to their own we’re all different, but facts is facts and nothing in science will change them really guv.

Be interesting to have an incognito visit, pick up the atmosphere. I’d wager it’s a good one, compared to -some- of the morale sucking discipline-free unisex toilet-having cess pits masquerading as schools out there these days.

Anybody on here surprised by the continued antics of TRSOH? Anybody?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5051761-worth-watching-unherd-investigation-inside-the-disinformation-industry-kathleen-stock-specifically-mentioned?

Going to be honest I was slightly surprised by this one! Not that it was happening, but that this one company had managed to operate seemingly almost completely under the radar whilst screwing with people's businesses. They should at the very least be made to contact the businesses they are condemning and explain why!

They should at the very least be made to contact the businesses they are condemning and explain why!

The New Priesthood doesn't have to explain anything to the Great Unwashed Laity. TRSOHGod Moves In Mysterious Ways.

Wow! That's shocking. I will never get over how totalitarian this all is.

And AI will make all of this 1000 times harder to combat. It's truly dystopian.

I don't know why YouTube thought I wanted to see this but I'm glad it did

I never knew this was a thing! Women working, hard work, on a forge at home.

This person in the comments was so persistent I thought I'd flag them

There's more information about the strike here

https://warwick.ac.uk/services/library/mrc/archives_online/exhibitions/cradleyheath/

My favourite bit is 'Rouse, ye women', Men of Harlech is one of those tunes that's so easy to repurpose. Did I sing it to myself? Why yes. Yes, I did.

I mean, yes adults choose their own clothes, but if you've been Groomed (and I absolutely use that word intentionally) to it since childhood, how are you able to make a free, informed choice? Really?

Simply put you're not. overcoming the BS instilled in us since childhood is hard.

Go take a look at the ex-Muslim sub Reddits for an idea of how especially bad it is for ex Muslims. It's genuinely terrifying a religion which makes people wanting to leave so scared, is allowed and accepted in the UK. And I say this as an ex JoVo who was disfellowshipped. I mean, good lord, at least I didn't fear for my actual life, I was just very sad and upset over it all.

Just....I have no words.

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