Women's rights general conversations - Thread 8

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 7.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Kathleen Stock on the Unherd broadcast now

Sounds messy. We have numbered tables, with everyone's number printed on their polling card.

Not that long queues are likely here - I've only ever had to wait once, and that was a queue of 2 (including me).

The story of the night isn't a vote for Labour. It's a vote for Reform.

Labour needs to watch their backs over the next 5 years. It does explain a shift from pushing TWAW - those type of policy which can be seen as too politically correct are potentially risky.

Labour have a tough job on their hands economically, but their progressive agenda is something they need to be very measured about.

They HAVE to consider carefully. Pushing too hard and they risk losing ground to Reform in 5 years time.

I know it's weird to be talking about the next election tonight but it is a significant thing because the agenda for the next term has been set now.

There's no enthusiasm for Labour. That's a massive issue.

i’m actually quite heartened by this. I wouldn’t have wanted Reform to run the country but that they have (probably) taken a big share of traditional Labour votes means that Labour need to pay close attention and drop the American IDPOL stuff.

Does anyone know what's happened in Wales? They've essentially had a Labour Government in the Senedd. Do they have the same enthusiasm for Westminster Labour as the rest of the country?

No idea - I think I saw a banner across the bottom of the C4 coverage saying David TC Davis thinks he’s lost his seat according to the exit polls, but he’s a rare Welsh Tory 🤷‍♀️

With that size majority is there an incentive to listen?

That's my big question.

They should, but whether they will is another matter.

Good point!

I suspect Starmer will care, especially as the Reform vote will take the shine off his landslide/be the news story of the week.

Whereas previous Labour leaders probably wouldn’t pay any attention at all (cough, Corbyn).

The (probable) SNP trouncing should underline the lack of appetite for ‘Woke’ amongst the electorate?

Husband kept saying "Wow, what happened to the SNP?" and he genuinely is puzzled. As I said elsewhere, he works very very very hard in an Upton-Sinclair-esque way, to keep himself maximally ignorant of this issue.

Bless!

15 Scots seats to go!

Thangam Debbonaire lost her seat. One of the very few to do so from Labour. She's gender critical isn't she? Bristol. Went green.

Jess Phillips got booed. She won but got a terrible reception.

Surely he's at least heard about the SNP financial scandal, even if he's managed to la-la-la his way through Bryson?

Compared with the exit polls, Reform's a decidedly damp squib. Whereas LibDems.and Greens have done incredibly well.

Inpredict Labour will put the SNP loss down to finance rather than gender, and take the other results as a sign for full steam ahead.

NI is fascinating. The DUP got whalloped.

Lagan Valley elected Sorcha Eastwood its first woman and first non-unionist MP. The losing DUP candidate said "boundary changes" and "divided unionism" lost him the seat.

Yes, in the end he decided it was about the police investigation about the finances. He did know vaguely about the fragrant Isla when it was all kicking off, but somehow managed to memory-hole this knowledge.

DUP has indeed been walloped - Paisley out. TUV (and TUV-backed 'independents') have done depressingly well.

Not a damp squib in terms of vote share tho, currently significantly more than the Lib Dems.

Jess got hammered, in a significantly muslim constituency, due to Gaza, I think.

I'm glad she was returned.

Thangam losing to the greens was disappointing, but I don't think FWR and Gender Ideology was much of a factor, I cite the PoW only getting 196 votes to support that.

Which means they are the third party. Which means it's them, not the LD that gets the airtime on public service broadcasters.

I have posted this elsewhere but I am going to repeat myself ROSIE DUFFIELD RETAINED HER SEAT

I didn’t know about this. Is that in their broadcasting rules?

Sad to see Joanna Cherry lose.

Yes! Well done Rosie!

Hopefully she’s getting plenty of support from the cross party sisterhood that Jess Phillips talked about.

Jess Phillips generally rubs me up the wrong way but she made me wet eyed last night. Sounds like it’s been a horrific campaign for her and her volunteers.

Some good news, Rosie Duffield stayed.

And Greased Bog went!