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Worth watching - Unherd investigation - Inside the 'disinformation' industry. Kathleen Stock specifically mentioned.

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OvaHere · 16/04/2024 22:10

Freddie Sayers recently attended a government special committee about News where he raised problems Unherd have had with ad revenue and ad agencies.

It turns out Unherd have been placed on an exclusion list by a British company called the Global Disinformation Index. This company is funded in part by money from various global government departments including our FCDO.

After finding this out Unherd appealed and asked the GDI for an explanation. After some weeks they got a response that rejected the appeal and were told it was because they hosted gender critical content and specifically named Kathleen Stock and her objections to the reform of the GRA 2004.

Our team re-reviewed the domain, the rating will not change as it continues to have anti LGBTQI+ narratives... The site authors have also been called out for being anti -trans. Kathleen Stock is acknowledged as a "prominent gender- critical" feminist. She has opposed transgender self identification in regards to proposed reforms in the 2004 UK Gender Recognition Act.

It's not clear if this is the entirety of the GDI response to Unherd however they are clear that they consider Professor Stock's views 'disinformation'. If you watch the video you'll discover the GDI have conveniently broadened the definition of disinformation beyond just that which is false or factually incorrect.

Unsurprisingly they don't apply this to discourse their founders like and agree with.

Inside the 'disinformation' industry

📰 Subscribe to UnHerd today at: http://unherd.com/joinA government-sponsored agency is censoring journalism; UnHerd's Freddie Sayers investigates.Watch it o...

https://youtu.be/ILEMV0xKGh4?si=_WeXGjLCQBhzRNBF

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anothernamitynamenamechange · 16/04/2024 22:32

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That was way worse than I thought it would be. The concept of policing for "adversarial narrative".

RethinkingLife · 16/04/2024 22:51

It's overwhelming. The beliefs are WORIAD and yet

  • Unherd is adversely affected
  • Chartered Society of Physiotherapists is looking to remove anyone with GC beliefs from the profession
  • an NHS Trust is creating a hostile environment for people with GD beliefs
  • a PCC has an advisory group chair that declares women with GC beliefs should be treated as "terrorists" (thank you, College of Policing).
IcakethereforeIam · 16/04/2024 22:54

I wonder if MN is on their shitlist?

Boiledbeetle · 16/04/2024 23:26

anothernamitynamenamechange · 16/04/2024 22:32

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That was way worse than I thought it would be. The concept of policing for "adversarial narrative".

Bloody hell! Same here I knew stuff like this was going to be happening, but bloody hell!!

OvaHere · 16/04/2024 23:32

I find it particularly chilling they single out opposition to the GRA reform as a reason for censorship because the GRA reform was the subject of a government consultation in which everyone was invited to submit their opinion whatever that was.

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Pudmyboy · 17/04/2024 03:04

That is astonishing, a perfectly legal viewpoint is held to be disinformation???
How can that be justified? Am I reading this correctly: GDI have the power to affect the finances of a publication because it has articles from a person with legally held views that GDI doesn't like? How did they get to make that choice? How did they get that power?
I subscribe to Unherd but don't look at it very often and was planning to cancel my subscription but maybe I will carry on as a form of solidarity

RethinkingLife · 17/04/2024 07:33

Sayers' Times piece on this:

The solutions have become more sinister than the problem. An entire ecosystem of companies, not-for-profits and government agencies has sprung up, many staffed by activists, dedicated to classifying wrongspeak and shutting it down.
Among the most pernicious are self-styled “ratings agencies” that act as powerful gatekeepers in the complex world of online ads. If they classify a website or an article as “disinformation”, advertisers will stop placing ads there and the business model of the offending websites is essentially shut down.
At UnHerd, we have a 92.5 per cent trustworthy rating from Newsguard, one such agency, slightly ahead of The New York Times at 87.5 per cent. But another organisation, the Global Disinformation Index, has placed us on its blacklist. The judgments of this mysterious outfit, funded by the UK and US governments and the EU, can throttle ad revenues to targeted websites by over 90 per cent. Previous targets include the New York Post which, like us, has a robust and diversified business. For many smaller publications it would be a death knell.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4ac46b1a-fc1a-11ee-b2eb-b6dd5e28a521?shareToken=557e295552463461a92251cd02d5323b

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5051835-unherd-editor-on-ratings-agencies?

Unherd Editor on Ratings Agencies | Mumsnet

In the Times today. I hadn't heard about rating agencies before. Why is the UK government and also the EU funding some of these? [[https://www.thetim...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5051835-unherd-editor-on-ratings-agencies

princessleah1 · 17/04/2024 07:50

Thanks for posting. It's the kind of thing that feeds rather than prevents conspiracy theories.

lady69 · 17/04/2024 08:04

Fascism seems quite popular amongst progressives these days. I wonder when they will have their “are we the baddies” moment?

hamstersarse · 17/04/2024 08:09

It’s not even an exaggeration to say we are heading for totalitarianism

It makes me think a lot about our probable next government, all these righteous ideologues come from the Left. It doesn’t particularly feel like it’s a good combo…an ideology that preaches censorship ‘for the greater good / be kind” in the background of rampant capitalism. Lives could be destroyed very quickly with that combo. Wrong think will mean financial and social destruction.

RethinkingLife · 17/04/2024 08:19

Matt Goodwin on the epistemic class that I would say is extending its powers through these rating agencies. (Removed links to stop them breaking but they're worth following.)

Drawn from: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Values-Voice-Virtue-British-Politics/dp/0141999098

Britain is in the grip of a new elite, which has been rapidly losing touch with the rest of the country, setting the stage for a looming backlash among the masses.
If you want to understand why, over the last decade, Britain was radically reshaped by the rise of Nigel Farage’s national populism, Brexit and the post-Brexit realignment, symbolised by Boris Johnson, then you need to make sense of this elite.
Britain has always had an out-of-touch elite, of course. Henry Fairlie first talked about “the Establishment” in the 1950s, an Old Boys network of wealthy, right-leaning elites in the City who fill the Tory donor class and private members’ clubs on Pall Mall.
The old elite -clearly- still exist. It continues to wield enormous power over politics and the economy. But today, in Britain, as in many other Western democracies, the axis of power is now rapidly tilting toward a new ruling class —one that overlaps with the old elite but is distinct from it in important, under-appreciated ways.
Whereas the old elite was mainly defined by its wealth, inherited titles, estates, “small C” cultural values and, often, though not always, its lack of university education, the members of the new middle-class professional elite are defined by different things.
They were swept forward, mainly, by the rapid expansion of the universities, by their elite education at one of the most prestigious Oxbridge or Russell Group universities which, like them, have swung sharply leftwards over the past half century.
Whereas back in the 1960s left-wing academics outnumbered right-wing academics by a ratio of three to one, today it’s closer to eight to one, a symbol of how both the universities and the graduates they produce have increasingly swung left.
Unlike the right-leaning old middle-class and the Tory elite, over the last ten years the new middle-class graduate elite has shifted behind the Labour Party and other liberal left parties, such as the Liberal Democrats, the Scottish National Party, or the Greens.
In fact, had only Britain’s graduate class been eligible to vote at the last election, in 2019, then Jeremy Corbyn would currently be prime minister. And this shift is now being compounded by generational change; ask Millennial graduates how they voted at the last election and only one in five will say the Tories.
The rise of the new elite, then, reflects the rise of a powerful new ‘education divide’ in Britain and other Western democracies, a deep-rooted rift which is now pushing the elite graduate minority and the non-graduate majority firmly apart —economically, politically, culturally, and geographically.
Economically, the new elite are fond of portraying themselves as the oppressed and disadvantaged, the underdogs who are railing against the ‘real’ elite. But the reality is quite different. More often than not, they have been the real winners of globalisation and the transition toward a post-industrial knowledge-based economy.
For much of the last half century, the new elite, whose families often descend from the professional and managerial classes, benefitted far more than others from the shift toward a university-based meritocracy —a system which has increasingly whittled down the definition of ‘success’ to mean having a degree from the right university.
Shaped by their privileged family backgrounds, their educational qualifications, and their much greater ‘cultural capital’ —gained from their more immersive experiences in the Oxbridge and Russell Group college system— the new elite hoovered up most of the gains from Britain’s embrace of hyper-globalisation and a political economy which was rebuilt around them, which both demanded and rewarded their skills.
They’ve benefitted culturally, too. After flooding into the creative, cultural, knowledge and public sector institutions, becoming a new “epistemic class” which creates, filters and determines what is or what is not acceptable or desirable within the national conversation, the new elite watched the prevailing culture be completely reshaped around their far more socially liberal values, tastes, political priorities, and interests.
Increasingly, when they’ve looked out at the institutions and what they create -the television programmes, films, adverts, books, museums, galleries, columns, and the national conversation more broadly- they’ve seen their worldview staring back at them while millions of others struggle to recognise their worldview at all.
This is why the rise of Nigel Farage, Brexit, Trump, and Boris were so visibly traumatic and bewildering for the new elite. Until then, this culturally isolated and politically insulated group had largely had everything their own way.
At the same time, as academics have shown, their very status as highly educated, high-flying, liberal graduates has become central to their collective identity, giving them a powerful new sense of “class consciousness”, encouraging them to look down on the less well educated or the rising number of graduates from less prestigious institutions.
Increasingly, over the last decade, this has been driving what Michael Sandel calls the ‘politics of humiliation’, a palpable sense among millions of ordinary voters that they are now being cut adrift by a highly educated elite which not only hoovered up the economic gains but often rigged the system to favour their own group over others.
Whether reflected in the new elite bribing their way into America’s prestigious Ivy League colleges, the finding in Britain that it was mainly the children of the new elite who benefitted from the expansion of universities, or the repeated failure of the elite universities to devote anywhere near as much effort to helping children from the white working-class as they devote to those from minority backgrounds (as recently symbolised by Cambridge ignoring left behind white kids altogether), this sense that the deck has been rigged for the new elite has pushed many into populism.
And geographically, too, the new elite has been drifting away from much of the rest of the country, hunkering down in elite enclaves which is compounding these divides. Aside from their degrees, members of the new elite are also defined by their postcodes in the most affluent or trendy districts in London, the big cities and university towns.
They’ve consolidated their power not only by living in the most dynamic and prosperous epicentres of the economy, benefitting from buoyant housing markets and higher rates of growth, but are also more likely to marry other members of the elite graduate class while unfriending, blocking, and distancing themselves from people who do not belong to this class or who hold different political beliefs and values.
Almost half of all university students who graduate with a first-class or 2:1 degree from one of the most prestigious Oxbridge or the Russell Group are living in London within six months of graduating, while many others flock into the same parts of south Manchester, Bristol, Brighton, Sheffield. Increasingly, as much research shows, this is pushing apart the thriving, metropolitan and diverse centres from what geographer Christophe Guilluy, who forecast the rise of the Yellow Vests, calls “the periphery”.
It’s in Britain’s declining towns, rural areas and coastal communities, the areas filled with workers, non-graduates and pensioners which the new elite deride as “Little England” or “going nowhere” — where the backlash against them is strongest.
One reason why Labour lost the last election so heavily is precisely because the party, dominated by the new elite, had spent much of the preceding twenty years doubling down on the values and the voice of the new elite while ignoring the periphery.
This is underlined by the fact that, even today, the party has still not won the popular vote across non-London England since 2001, or that Labour strategists now openly confess they did not even bother to hold focus groups and speak to voters in many of these areas for close to twenty years. They just weren’t considered important.
This is not just about Labour, however. In recent years, the growing power and reach of the new elite has been just as visible on the right of politics, reflected in the likes of of Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve, Sarah Wollaston, and many other culturally left conservatives who either opposed Brexit or now feel completely at ease with very high immigration, hyper-globalisation, and key aspects of radical progressivism.
Consistently, as surveys show, many of Britain’s MPs on both the right and left lean much further to the cultural left than millions of voters in the country, refusing to represent, recognise and sometimes even respect people who hold different values to the socially and economically liberal consensus which tends to dominate Westminster.
And now, today, it’s this deep and growing rift between the elite graduate class and everybody else which is giving rise to three new fault lines which have been reshaping our politics and country over the past decade and will almost certainly drive more unrest in the years ahead unless we can find a way of closing them.

https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/rise-of-the-new-elite

Rise of the New Elite

How Britain's new ruling class lost touch with the country

https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/rise-of-the-new-elite

RebelliousCow · 17/04/2024 08:21

hamstersarse · 17/04/2024 08:09

It’s not even an exaggeration to say we are heading for totalitarianism

It makes me think a lot about our probable next government, all these righteous ideologues come from the Left. It doesn’t particularly feel like it’s a good combo…an ideology that preaches censorship ‘for the greater good / be kind” in the background of rampant capitalism. Lives could be destroyed very quickly with that combo. Wrong think will mean financial and social destruction.

Yes, look at China's social credit system for a window into what state sanctioned totalitarianism looks like in practice.

Most of these ideologically motivated censors are also leaning towards generalised anti western/anti U.S perspectives and so naturally side with regimes such as those in Russia, China, Iran ( Hamas) - the new 'axis of resistance'. You only have to look at these regimes to understand what ideological intolerance and extreme censorship is.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/04/2024 08:25

So, long story short, sounds like this 'disinformation index' and others of its ilk are promoters of disinformation, or at least - and it can amount to the same thing - suppressors of information?

Kucinghitam · 17/04/2024 08:37

ErrolTheDragon · 17/04/2024 08:25

So, long story short, sounds like this 'disinformation index' and others of its ilk are promoters of disinformation, or at least - and it can amount to the same thing - suppressors of information?

But... but... but... they're the Righteous Guys! They're only trying to save everyone's souls or something!

RethinkingLife · 17/04/2024 08:38

It was Unherd where I read about Laura Towler. The creep of these things seems inevitable.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4578817-halifax?page=3&reply=118287696

"I’m going to read a statement out for you,” the manager said. “But I’m not going to be able to answer any of your questions after that.”

He read out:

“We have locked your bank account. We can’t give you any more information. We might be in touch in future with more information. But we don’t know when that might be.”

Could she have her money? No.

But how was she supposed to get home? After all, she lived eight miles outside of Leeds, and now she had no bus fare. Apparently, this was not the bank’s business."

https://unherd.com/2020/10/how-corporations-can-delete-your-existence/

How corporations can delete your existence

Losing a Twitter account for controversial statements is one thing; losing a bank account is quite another

https://unherd.com/2020/10/how-corporations-can-delete-your-existence

RebelliousCow · 17/04/2024 08:40

Interesting to see some of the list of organisations funding this 'index'. They include: 'Open Society Foundation'; the 'Bohemian Foundation' ( A Stryker family charity), The EU, and the 'Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office'.

The organisation is predominantly composed of female employees,between the ages of 20 -29.

https://www.disinformationindex.org

The Global Disinformation Index

Disrupting the business model of disinformation

https://www.disinformationindex.org/

RebelliousCow · 17/04/2024 08:45

In this section of their website they refer specifically to " anti LGBTQ" content

"This special report includes examples of ad-funded stories promoting a range of harmful adversarial narratives. Please note these are summaries and examples are taken directly from the anti-LGBTQ+ content observed in this study. These stories, and the dehumanising language used within them, fall under GDI's criteria for adversarial narrative conflict. Some of the themes found in this study included:

  • Educating children about gender identity is child abuse and/or sexual grooming.
  • Books in schools that depict sexual content, pornography or pedophilia are somehow representative of LGBTQ+ persons.
  • Gender nonconformity is against nature and similar to “satanic ritual abuse.”
  • "Transgenderism" is a "concept" invented and imposed on children by the "Radical Left” intended to destroy the social fabric of society.
  • Increasing numbers of young people who identify as transgender is proof that identifying as such is a social choice rather than a naturally occurring state.
Ad tech companies servicing these ads & funding these stories include Amazon, Google, The Trade Desk, and AdRoll"

https://www.disinformationindex.org/disinfo-ads/2022-08-02-why-is-anti-lgbtq-disinformation-being-funded-by-advertising/

The Global Disinformation Index

Disrupting the business model of disinformation

https://www.disinformationindex.org/disinfo-ads/2022-08-02-why-is-anti-lgbtq-disinformation-being-funded-by-advertising/

NotBadConsidering · 17/04/2024 08:50

IcakethereforeIam · 16/04/2024 22:54

I wonder if MN is on their shitlist?

That is a really good question.

RethinkingLife · 17/04/2024 08:55

RebelliousCow · 17/04/2024 08:40

Interesting to see some of the list of organisations funding this 'index'. They include: 'Open Society Foundation'; the 'Bohemian Foundation' ( A Stryker family charity), The EU, and the 'Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office'.

The organisation is predominantly composed of female employees,between the ages of 20 -29.

https://www.disinformationindex.org

Given the age range of the employees and the examples cited for 'adverserial narrative conflict', is anyone else getting vibes of The Crucible?

RethinkingLife · 17/04/2024 09:04

One more reason that I'm concerned…in my role as a reviewer, so part of that epistemic class for health care/medical publications, I wonder how long it will be before I'm issued misinformation and disinformation guidance when reviewing papers for some journals.

1Week · 17/04/2024 09:12

Who granted these people with such power?

RebelliousCow · 17/04/2024 09:20

1Week · 17/04/2024 09:12

Who granted these people with such power?

The irony is that the disinformation Index is supposedly in existence to counter capitalist interests, yet is funded in large part by very wealthy individuals and their family charities. Individuals who have become wealthy through capitalist avenues such as pharmaceuticals and hedge funds.

RebelliousCow · 17/04/2024 09:24

RethinkingLife · 17/04/2024 08:55

Given the age range of the employees and the examples cited for 'adverserial narrative conflict', is anyone else getting vibes of The Crucible?

Edited

The values of openness, fluidity, kindness etc are very much associated with the feminisation of society - and as such reveal what some of the negatives of a feminised society look like.

And of course, the flip/shadow side of openness is censorship, of fluidity is intolerance and rigidity, and of kindness is harshness and meanness of spirit.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/04/2024 09:26

As soon as I first heard the term "disinformation" I got Orwellian vibes. It's well worth watching the 22 minute long video in the OP.

FinallyASunnyDay · 17/04/2024 09:35

I have been really worrying about my mum falling down conspiracy theory black holes since covid. She was always prone to believing rubbish but it went a bit mad. Watching stuff like this makes me wonder how much of her (and others') ramblings I have dismissed because it all sounded mad - this video sounds like one of her crazy conspiracies but is (as far as I can tell!!) frighteningly real.

Telling wheat from chaff due to decent critical thinking abilities is one thing, but if we can't see which wheat has been branded as chaff, we're fucked. Polarisation was already an issue in the world of echo chambers, but this spells out the dangers so clearly.