Debate happening in House of Commons: Victoria Atkins on fire

[BonfireLady]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/15/rishi-sunak-david-cameron-downing-street-general-election/

@RethinkingLife thanks for posting that about Stockholm Syndrome, when I read about it a few years ago and how it is a totally fabricated "diagnosis" I was gobsmacked. It can basically be summed up as "there, there, silly little woman - you don't know what's good for you!"

Re the lack of "good" female Labour MPs, it's an interesting subject that has come up many times and the fact is that the Left has always had a problem with women. Look back historically and the Unions were some of the most vocal against things like equal pay for women.

Check out Kirsten Oswald who stood grinning under the decapitate terfs sign. Couldn't give a toot.

And for anyone unaware, Oswald is currently the SNP Spokesperson for Women and Equalities. Yes, really.

Look back historically and the Unions were some of the most vocal against things like equal pay for women.

Union members actively deceived women to prevent them from attaining equitable equal pay settlements. Unions were actively betraying the women and circumventing the job evaluation exercises and misadvising them (until very recently). And they carried on trying to undermine them and ensure they were paid less than the men.

Many thousands of women would plausibly have had more comfortable, healthier, and even longer lives if unions had respected the dues they paid and represented them.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4998283-dying-without-ever-getting-their-historic-equal-pay

Also, regarding the GRA2004 - creating a legal fiction about material reality unmoors people from reality. The idea that a certificate enables you to become a woman or a man is mad. It's one thing to change a person's legal role or standing, because that is part of the construct of law. The legislation could have stopped short of declaring a sex change - it could have stated that a person must be treated as if they were the opposite sex in certain (specified) circumstances. That would have complied with legal obligations at the time. But to go so much further and legislate that a person has changed sex for all purposes unless that is specifically denied was way too broad in scope.

No way this issue can be 'both sided'. It's obviously nonsense.

If anyone would like to join SSA in our call for a public inquiry, here is a letter you can use in its entirety or edit as you see fit.

https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/resources-2/letter-templates/#Public_Inquiry_following_Cass_Review_letter

We were delighted to hear Nick Fletcher and Joanne Cherry call for a Public Inquiry. As we all know, this goes way beyond the NHS.

There was a mention a few days ago.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/health/europe-transgender-youth-hormone-treatments.html

You’re welcome DameMaud. This dishonest reframing of the toxicity coming from “both sides” is a face-saving tactic by the reversing ferrets who threw women under the bus. I expect they lack the depth to realise the damage they are causing to women who have experienced abuse and gaslighting.

Do you have a link please HeadDesk?
That would ne much easier to send (and scroll through) than the Parliament TV one!

Maybe they have a clue but it’s a combination of arrogance and arse saving plus misogyny

It’s pretty ugly to see

This is the thing, the house of cards starts tumbling down with only the slightest scrutiny. People who want to be kind would rather cover their ears than engage in any conversation that brings them dangerously close to wrongthink. That’s why you were ejected from the group Miss Scarlet, they were snivelling cowards with no critical thinking skills. They could have just said Oh let’s agree to disagree on this.

I think it's probably the same video, but it's pretty easy on youtube to scroll through to see her engage with different comments/questions if you don't have time to watch the entire thing. It's an hour and a half long!

A 20 minute one of VA's opening statement not including the questions is also available.

Sadly, I think you're right Corrupted

Thank you HeadDesk!

It is - and I don’t understand how they can use this tactic when there are receipts everywhere showing exactly which side the toxicity came from.

I'm in a similar position although I've avoided the bustup by biting my tongue. Many many times. I'm hoping now that the landscape is changing, her perspective will change too. Here's hoping.

Absolutely stupendous. Thank you!

Totally agree. Women have a choice, that is freedom. If a woman chooses to value being a home maker above a career that is her choice. And vice versa and anything in between. I would never judge another woman for making such choices.

Seconded.

(But I’m not risking going to a Cheese & Wine Party at Miss Scarlet’s ballroom anytime soon!)

Just listened back to BBC Radio 4 'Today in Parliament' from last night
Brief coverage around 16 minutes in
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001y8bl

I note that the Guardian today has not one article that I can see reporting on Victoria Atkins' speech, though there is a fair amount of coverage of Streeting on smoking. I wonder why.

Me too. It's only relatively recently that this law has been exposed as being fundamentally at odds with women's rights and freedom of speech. It is now clear to pretty much everyone how harmful it was to have written a falsehood like this into statute. There may be no political will atm to deal with this head on but the time will come when there will be. In the meantime we can limit the damage by campaigning against any move towards self ID or making it easier for men to claim to be women on their identity documents or enable children to go through the process.

Same. The harms are too great and there is a better way to deal with gender dysphoria

It would be pretty straightforward to adjust/adapt the GRA and/or the EA in light of recent developments. We don't have to repeal, at least not immediately.

Maybe Badenoch can finally stop mulling and strike while the iron is hot?