Debate happening in House of Commons: Victoria Atkins on fire

[BonfireLady]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/15/rishi-sunak-david-cameron-downing-street-general-election/

Yep and I expect even now they’re preparing some “both sides” articles and commissioning a sad face documentary on “trans kids” not getting PB

the guardian is going to be wall to wall fluffy beee kind pieces for weeks along with dodgy stats and articles on the “most vulnerable ever”

I wholeheartedly agree.

I think the edifice is crumbling, the BBC isnt rushing to hold it up but equally it isnt helping to pull it down.

Too many people have felt compelled to be silent - to my shame I am one of them.

I agree, them plus all the usual suspect will put all their energy into the “poor trans kids” narrative who aren’t being “helped”.

I hope to god money is ploughed into all the other support services-mental health, autism etc for these troubled children because it’s the only way to stop this nonsense.

If any of you read JKR's Strike novels you'll know the part in The Running Grave where Strike confronts cult leader Jonathan Wace and tells him "I will burn your fucking church to the ground". I have to say Victoria Atkins gave off some of that take-no-shit energy yesterday.

Are we really watching the dismantling of the cult? I have more room for hope today than ever before but not sure Labour can be trusted to see it through. I hope that the Tories can get the wheels in motion to such an extent that Labour can't back track.

It takes time to deprogram cult members. But each new reinforcement of checks and balances to abuses of power helps.

I, too, am appalled that the BBC haven't (yet again) reported on this this morning.

Part of supporting young people, and older ones, to work through confusion about their sex and sexual identity needs to be a clear reinstatement of women-only rape crisis services that are clearly advertised and funded as such. I think there was mention of pornography during yesterday's debate but sexual violence as a factor contributing to the need to want to 'transition' was not brought up. Women and girls need to be sure when they contact rape crisis services for help that they will encounter female support whether from a receptionist, or a help-line volunteer, a counsellor/therapist or a group facilitator. There must no longer be the need for any female to have to ask to have to speak to a woman and the guarantee of help that is free from gender ideology.

The same goes for women's refuges, and also for parallel services for boys and men staffed by men. For survivors, the shame of male rape and sexual violence from another man is significant and services for men have always been far fewer than those for women. Having known both male survivors and some men running male-only services in the past, it is really important in my opinion that funding is given for male-only safe places for boys and men to go to get appropriate support from men where they will not be judged, shamed, or coerced into any beliefs about themselves.

As well as having services sorted out for those who are questioning, the same services need to be able to cope with de-transitioners too and the multiple layers of sexual abuse they have encountered. Funders need to step up.

Looked on the website. Not under Politics, Health or Family and Education (why aren’t those separate?). Dormice ladders in the Forest of Dean on the home page though.

I think I’ll put in a complaint and email a copy of it to Victoria Atkins.

Once the BBC starts covering this issue fairly I might reconsider paying my licence fee.

I've not had a chance to watch the debate yet, but I'm looking forward to LRM taking one for the team. His behaviour is repugnant.

Indeed. We need a proper in depth programme, panorama style, which discusses these issues fully and with balance. We need BBC reporters to push labour on their position on this and to make clear what they will do if/when they win the election. That they haven’t (unless done in the last half an hour) covered this at all is unconscionable. I appreciate that there are heinous things going on in Gaza and Ukraine - but this is a systematic, homophobic, ableist programme of child abuse on a global scale and one in which we have been at best passive partners to the US Protocol or, at worst, actively zealous participants.

In the Times report of the debate I noticed this comment at the end:
"Lisa Lunt, a partner at Pogust Goodhead, a law firm assessing claims against the clinic, has put in a letter of claim to its solicitors for medical negligence on behalf of a former Tavistock patient who has now detransitioned".

We need the medical negligence claims to start asap. These are what will kickstart so many captured medics to realise that they've been conducting unethical medical experimentation on children.
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I'd say a group action would absolutely skewer what is left of the Tavistock. There may be enough cases to have some exemplar cases to establish a group action and then extensive damages. The consequences of this "treatment" is likely to be lifelong. Medical experts will be moving their research to the use of puberty blockers assuming that the Lancet et Al grow a spine and will publish studies. I hear they have not or researchers have been intimidated into not doing so.

The whole thing is a huge mess. I was just reading an article in iNews (so there is some bias) about teens who have killed themselves waiting for treatment

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/deaths-trans-teens-mental-health-provision-youth-3006388

That could also be grounds for legal action. Atkins was very evasive yesterday about how the government plans to support teenage mental health, she kept talking about these "hubs", which bothered me because the hubs appear still to be the Tavistock model of treating trans children on the basis of their gender distress, rather than dealing with their MH and possible ND issues. Really we need a huge investment in CAMHS to support all kinds of teen distress.

BBCRadio4 Mishal Husain asks Chief Medical Officer Professor Sir Chris Whitty, the key question on NHS embracing of puberty blockers for vulnerable children :
“These were children. Did you not think ‘I should be stepping in on this as I’m not sure what the evidence is?’”

https://twitter.com/MrsNickyClark/status/1780137127587582345

Anybody know what he replied although I feel it's rather outside his sphere.

What a surprise: the Guardian hasn’t covered this either 🤔

Well quite. How many months left of this Tory admin, after which we will likely have a Labour elected by a landslide, they'll have a huge majority and no real motivation to push back against this stuff? Even if the election returns a hung parliament, which is unlikely, there will be some kind of coalition with the Libs Dems or SNP, God help us. Combined with a devolved Labour govt in Wales and a SF admin in Northern Ireland which is gender woo to the eyeballs also.

I'm not sure about Starmer and I don't think he's strong or principled enough to push back against his party on this.

Post election, are we just destined to become another Canada?

I receive daily summary emails from the WSJ, NYT, Washington Post and New Yorker.

Nothing. Weird. The NYT in particular rarely misses an opportunity to bash Britain.

Should we have a daily thread on who's reporting?

The medical negligence claims are what will drag the truth around the world.

This is a tiny step forward... The right direction.

“These were children. Did you not think ‘I should be stepping in on this as I’m not sure what the evidence is?’”

I would also like to hear his thoughts on this. Did he wonder about the reasons for the anomaly of a sudden huge influx to the service of young females ? I can't think of any other healthcare setting which saw a sudden marked difference in their usual client base which wouldn't have asked 'why' and 'what's causing this' ?

Been lurking for two years since signposted here by Helen Joyce in Trans. You have saved the remaining shreds of my sanity after DD sent me YouTube video announcing I had a son in 2021. School literally laughed in my face when I went in to raise this as massive safeguarding issue (20% girls in DDs year had some kind of Trans ID at the time). HoY I spoke to agreed it would be the right thing to do to cut the legs off 14 year old girls if they asked for it "if they were hurting them".FFS

Anyway- sorry for rant - I've been waiting for Cass as a turning point and yesterday's debate was amazing to see but it brings out the rage and terrible sadness in me that we ever got to where we got to.

My DD still says she's a boy (while presenting as a girl- make it make sense!) but we've headed off any medical intervention so far. Bringing down this evil and insidious ideology can't come soon enough for all the thousands of kids like her.

Thank you all for everything you've done and for letting me know I wasn't the only one to think GI total batshittary when I thought I was losing my mind.

This is a real punch the air moments for us inhabitants for TERF Island but I'm not breathing easily yet. The likes of Stella Creasey and LRM will be senior members of the next Labour government. Keir Starmer has only very recently come to the realization that women can't just sprout a penis or men grow a cervix, so his position is hardly rock solid is it? I have a feeling this fight is going to go on for years and we'll still have to be pushing for basic rights and safety for women.

This is why, despite all the tories have done. I hope that there's not a total wipeout. We need a strong opposition, all governments do and this issue is too important to just be taken at face value.

Ah - Michal Husain (? sp) asking about it as an add on to a discussion about the under 15 smoking ban. But that’s it.
I listened to the Parliamentary report and it wasn’t mentioned. A clip of Ed Davey being “statesmanlike” on Israel/Iran, so the LDs have their views on that, though not on the biggest medical scandal affecting children so far this century.

Well said.
Interesting how so many labour MPs swerved the discussion away from medical mistreatment onto waiting lists - they can't bear to acknowledge the terrible reality that Cass has exposed.
Ironically the wait will have been a life saver for these mentally vulnerable children as it's kept many of them away from the activist medics. But at great cost to them and their families who should have been able to access qualified, informed therapeutic support.

I'm so sorry you and your family have gone through this. The thought of all the young people harmed by this, and the impact on their families, is very hard.

We are going to need organisations set up to help those harmed by genderism. Wishing you all the best and I hope you are able to recover gently.

This is what happened to a medic in Toronto who didn't practice "affirming care"
https://xtramagazine.com/health/why-the-closing-of-torontos-camh-gender-clinic-matters-69695

This silencing of medics was not a "UK left" issue. It was global.

Yes, it's the hope that this is finally over that kills you, isn't it? After so many beginnings of the end, I can't bring myself to believe we're here.