MN promoting cervical screening. Guess which word is missing

[HermioneWeasley]

It’s being promoted on MN, later on they say you’ll usually have a female nurse do it, but it’s all about PEOPLE

https://www.mumsnet.com/articles/cervical-screening

@MNHQ why are you colluding with this woman erasing nonsense?

Okay. So you are setting your self up as an expert. what percentage of women do not have cervixes? What percentage have two?
Most important: what percentage / actual count of women are so determined not to be called "women" that they would ignore a health message directed at women?

To be fair, I did know a woman with two uteruses. Funnily enough, her first language wasn't English and although she was very fluent, she struggled to describe her anatomy to me.

We haven't even yet got to the fact that many women find it dehumanising and quite offensive to be called 'person with a cervix'.

I guess those women's feelings don't matter, though.

https://www.jostrust.org.uk/node/666780

'Almost half of women (44.2%)[1] are unaware of what the cervix is, unable to correctly identify it as the neck of the womb (uterus). One in six could also not name a single function of the cervix with less than half (41.40%) aware that it connects the womb to the vagina and only one in three knowing that it provides a seal to hold the baby in when pregnant.'

Fuck me, this from a HCP! I'm almost ready to give up.

I'm not wasting my time doing that because it's irrelevant to the point. It doesn't make people with a cervix who don't want to be called a woman any less eligible for screening does it? Whether they have one or two cervices.

As I said, all the NHS guidance is for women AND people with a cervix. Mumsnet has chosen to use solely "people" but that isn't the screening programmes guidance and I think it's a great tactic of them to get you all talking about cervical screening.

Except they aren't in the screening programmes literature. Something you're ignoring. This was a conscious (clever) choice by Mumsnet HQ. Take it up with them 🤷🏻‍♀️

The amount of responses ignoring all the screening guidance and it's evidentiary basis are showing this is just a political football and you want to froth about it online regardless. Some posters sound like they won't be happy until patients have no right to be referred to as they wish and should all get a GC lecture when they attend for lifesaving screening.
Have fun but I've got better things to do now.
Book your smear and encourage your friends 👋🏻

Woohoo! I got a bingo stamp!

Stop FROTHING ladies!

BTW how will I know which friends to encourage for a smear?

@Lampy123678
Nonbinary females and transmen is referencing the "tiny tiny proportion of the screening population". As I keep having to repeat. I don't know why you can't seem to understand that. On an individual basis I would hope that as an HCP you would be capable of finding a way to talk to a woman with a special identity in terms that she finds acceptable but which don't encourage her to think that she is literally a man.

Even if wrong-sex registration is only one of the reasons patients don't hear about appointments, it's a problem that could easily be rectified.

The ad on Mumsnet refers to "people" and does not mention "women". This is hardly geared to MUMSNET, is it?

The NHS England website refers to "women and people with a cervix". Once again, that relies on "people" knowing whether they have a cervix AND divorces sex from cervixes. Why not use a form of words which is unambiguously gender identity-based, if you want women with special identities to relate? Why the needlessly offensive "people with a cervix"?

Again, showing that you either haven't read or haven't understood what you've read.

Women not knowing about their anatomy is not because they are stupid, it's because learning about women's bodies has not been prioritised. Too much using nicknames for genitals to avoid using the 'naughty' words mean that people can grow up completely ignorant about their bodies. I think it was TOWIE that brought us the word vajazzle to describe decorating the vulva but confused it with vagina.

Yes,but they're not as important as the 'people' with special feelz.

Why would you need to "waste" time doing that? Are you not actually an expert?
If i'm talking about my areas of expertise I can bore everyone silly with stats - and frequently do.
You don't know anything about cervical screening do you?
Let alone about patient communication.

If even ONE woman has suffered from unclear and ambiguous medical advice and not gone for a cervical screen which has ultimately resulted in a delayed cancer diagnosis, then that's one woman too many.

"People with a cervix who don't want to be called a woman" need to suck it up, quite frankly. It's not my, or any other women's problem, that they have a need to deny their own biology.

Inclusivity is bullshit argument in this context.

People with complex identities leading to hormonal and surgical treatment are already actively participating in the healthcare system, so they can check with their healthcare professionals which checkups are relevant for their unique situation, if it becomes unclear.

This campaign is trying to reach to people who are less in touch and needs to be as clear and uncomplicated as possible.

😂 I can't resist responding to this. Such peak Mumsnet. Yes Of course I know nothing despite being qualified because I won't engage your red herring question about statistics which bears no relevance about people being eligible for screening. You are taking my response to a poster asking how we can be sure their hypothetical child has a cervix or not (another red herring whcih they thought was going to be a gotcha it's only women answer) where I said there isn't actually a 100% way to know until the cervix is observed because some people haven't got a uterus where we assume they would and some people even have two where we would assume they have one. Those stats you want to derail with (UK? Worldwide? occurrences in UK cervical screening only? ) have no relevance to whether people who don't identify as women are eligible for screening. If you could explain to me how it does maybe?

I'll happily bore you silly about cervical screening but I'm more interested in talking to people about HPV and self testing than what pronouns my patients use tbh.

@Snowypeaks
I would hope that as an HCP you would be capable of finding a way to talk to a woman with a special identity in terms that she finds acceptable but which don't encourage her to think that she is literally a man

It's not my job as a HCP to encourage patients to think they're anything other than someone with informed choice about the procedure they're about to have. I certainly don't encourage them to think they're men , I don't know where you got them from 🥴 I said in my first post that none of this argument has any place in an individuals appointment when they're receiving healthcare. It's my job to treat them respectfully and with dignity. If you think that when I need to call lab or a Colposcopy clinic and I refer to them as "a patient" because they don't prefer to be called "a woman" that I'm calling them a man, you really are reaching.

The thread is about whether an advertising message about cervical screening should be aimed at "women", or at " cervix havers".
The percentages are entirely relevant. How many women object to being called women for the purpose of healthcare?

Except the advert didn't even use that phrase anywhere did it? 😂 You're so wound up and you haven't even read it!

But statistics ARE important.
How many women are not attending screenings because they don't think it applies to them thanks to confusing and ambiguous language?
How many "people with a cervix who don't want to be called women" are there, that it has affected the probably upwards of 99% of other women in terms of having access to clear and non-obfuscating medical advice and literature?
For the (we are told) very few "women who don't want to be called women", they have sure gone out of their way to prioritise the needs of these individuals ahead of producing concise and accurate medical advice for all women.
Statistics matter.

I said in my first post that none of this argument has any place in an individuals appointment when they're receiving healthcare.
And I have said the same.

I certainly don't encourage them to think they're men
Good - because you denied in an earlier post that women with special identities were women.

If you think that when I need to call lab or a Colposcopy clinic and I refer to them as "a patient" because they don't prefer to be called "a woman" that I'm calling them a man, you really are reaching.
Why would I think that "patient" = "man"? Is that what you think?

This thread is about how women's healthcare messages are communicated to women, not how HCPs communicate with each other within the healthcare system.

Update. I emailed to complain and they have replied saying their advertising says 'women and people with a cervix' (which tbf their website does) and asking for details. I'm sending them. Do you think this is someone's way of outing terfy Mumsnetters irl?

And interestingly the administrator is called Karen. Just Karen. 🤔

What an excellent ad on Peoplesnet. Or Cervix-havers-net.