Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

I swing between thinking they are still Lily but off all SM due to being an idiot, and they've detransed and changed name but still somewhere harassing women for kicks

Vile creep.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

I think Wes Streeting is also now reading the writing on the wall and realising that Keir "1% of women have a penis" Starmer, Lisa Nandy, Angela Rayner, Nadia Whittome, David Lammy, Stella Creasy and all the others who have said absolutely batshit insane things and dismissed all non-believers as bigots do not have the backing of the public.

I hope you don't mind that I've edited your post for amusement clarity.

Lisa "trans women are women [and] should be in the prison of their choosing" Nandy.

Angela "it doesn't matter [if trans double rapist Isla Bryson] has a penis" Rayner.

Nadia "unrepentant transphobes [etc.]" should be expelled" Whittome.

David "dinosaurs hoarding rights" Lammy.

Stella "a woman can have a penis" Creasy.

I suspect you might be bang on with this!

Yes, I'm aware of the above. -just haven't been able to find any recent info. I suspect, as someone has said, he's already detransitioned and is now going by another name.

Mmmm the reverse ferreting of Streeting goes no where near far enough for me.

As Datun said upthread he and they all knew what Cass was going to say because they'd been told by women.

And still many of them, Whittome and Rayner, are coming out with pro-trans anti/ woman/ children statements. Surely after all this they still don't believe in the 'wrong puberty'?

Brother, Connor was still tweeting up til 2023:
https://x.com/madigan_smurf looks like most of his connections are bots but there could be a bread crumb trail to LM’s new self if anyone can be asked to look for it.

2018 is so quaint-looking, from here in 2024.

2 of these ‘transwomen’ have been embroiled in sexual abuse scandals and the 3rd currently works for one of the trans led ‘pilot’ GICs that NHS England will
now be looking into.

Hah!

That's how I originally started typing out that sentence but decided it was too long.

Ultimately I have a very low opinion of politicians and have decided that I care more about what they actually do than about what their motivations are.

I'd rather elect a complete arsehole who implements policies I agree with for the wrong reasons than a nice person who implements terrible policies for the right reasons.

If Wes Streeting is now identifying as gender critical because he wants to be the heir to Blair, fine, whatever, I'll vote for that.

But not until it's clear that that's what I'm voting for.

I think I can't remember where I read it, that the membership tended to be disproportionately concentrated in the safer Labour seats, rather than more closely fought ones. Meaning that people leaving the party and presumably then staying at home/protest voting are less likely to be able to make a difference anyway.

They probably will lose a smattering of seats over Gaza, but not enough to have any real impact, even if its still going on by the GE. And I can't see the trans activists having even that relatively low level of influence. There aren't too many people who care enough to change their vote because of it, and they'd have to live at concentration even if there were.

On the subject of the labour party's disarray
https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1778458290663391413

For those not on twitter Sarah Sultana MP said

"The Cass Review has provoked significant debate and concern.

I believe the focus must be on ensuring everyone – including young trans people – has access to the healthcare they need.

To achieve this, we must understand the context in which this review is published.

For example, a UN expert recently noted "deep concern" about "increased bias-motivated incidents of harassment, threats & violence against LGBT people" in the UK.

They said "the toxic nature of the public debate surrounding sexual orientation & gender identity” was to blame

Transphobic hate crimes hit a record high last year.

This hatred is spread by the politicians and the powerful – just think of Rishi Sunak's recent transphobic jibe at PMQs while Brianna Ghey's mother was in Parliament.

So as well as having concerns about the Review – though I believe some recommendations could be positive – I also believe there must be a collective emphasis on combating transphobia.

We will only provide the care everyone needs if we respect the rights and dignity of all."

What is clear is that the Tories were listening. It's a under Sunak that the reports have been published, and various government bodies have quietly left Stonewall.
Even Boris Johnson is GC and had said so.

So completely ignores the scandal of unethical medical treatment on children? Reframes the issues as "transphobia" rather than damage to children's bodies and futures?

When someone shows you that they don't give a toss about children's welfare yet will be asking for your vote in the near future, remember how she framed this.

think I can't remember where I read it, that the membership tended to be disproportionately concentrated in the safer Labour seats, rather than more closely fought ones. Meaning that people leaving the party and presumably then staying at home/protest voting are less likely to be able to make a difference anyway.

This is true as far down as ward level in my local CLP - the council seats that Labour doesn’t occupy have almost no local membership. The Regional party bus activists around, or at least they do if they haven’t pissed all the activists off!

Good Lord above. What’s she on and can I have some?

What exactly is your issue with what she said? Because I read that as her saying transphobia is a problem and children identifying as trans need medical support. This could include all the stuff that we talk about on here and that Cass recommended- talking therapies, autism assessments etc.

I don't think that is controversial at all.

She is a real, stalwart fighter for women’s rights, an absolute heroine, in it for the long haul. I would say ‘tireless’ but I am
sure the endless battle is exhausting. I hope the day comes when all the superb women who have held the line for our rights can relax without fear of another attack.

@AdamRyan

Because concern about transphobia has been used to stifle debate about appropriate child treatment and the statement casts doubt on the Review several times - references to "concerns" galore and a lukewarm welcome for "some recommendations" (which ones? Probably not the ones that involve not affirming all kids automatically). Not once did this woman say that she wanted to ensure that trans children got the most appropriate treatment for them, which is the key point - getting healthcare is one thing, getting the RIGHT healthcare quite another...

I read that as her saying transphobia is a problem and children identifying as trans need medical support.

And zip, zero, zilch about children who were enthusiastically transed and permanently damaged by drugs and surgery when it was very much NOT in their best interests. In fact that medical "support" you speak of cheered the mutilation on!
Whatever you are on, I definitely don't want any.

Blimey, I had no idea how long Julie Bindel had been fighting this fight.

I think many many women have been part of this fight and for much longer.

I dont begrudge JB talking herself up, because as a public speaker she has to also be her own PR.

But as members of the public, or as feminists, we need to be aware that it is never about those who get their names in the papers (or on twitter) and worse can give some the impression that feminism is about personalities so they can just sit back and follow, rather than about women in many different areas of life taking a stand.

That is fact is one of the huge benefits of FWR is that those who will never get the public aclaim have a change to talk about what they have or are doing, whether as a lone mother or part of a local group.

Also @AdamRyan, WTF is transphobia? Many (and I would suggest this woman) think it's just an expression of belief in sex. Transphobic hate crime is really not on the up, unless you count some very dubious examples.....

She's offering up a skewed version of what Cass is about and why it was commissioned and has linked it to a bunch of things that are adult and activist driven.

She has conflated sexual orientation with gender identity.

She hasn't provided a definition of transphobia nor how it is relevant to the medical negligence of children.

It's cherry picked TRA bullshit 101.

There are bits of it that aren't wrong, albeit there'd still be legitimate criticism because of what she's not said.

However, the claim from the UN 'expert' is festering bollocks, and a person who includes that isn't to be trusted either because they're ignorant or disingenuous.

re the general election, yes in the Labour Party has said it is aware it has lost members because of the conflict in Gaza, so its hardly news.

And as others have said there is a huge difference between someone being a party activist and unaffiliated votes.

Labour will win because the Tories have lost the confidence of the public.

That isn't anything to celebrate. And I can understand why having a Labour Party that then sets out to win votes by coming up with Tory light policies is anything to celebrate.

The anarchists always thought it was clever to say "whoever you vote for the Government gets in", but I suspect the saying that is most true is that "voters get the governments they deserve".

As a country, or maybe it is the fault of the media, we seem unable to have a sensible discussion about anything.