Final Report Cass Review now published

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Dr Hilary Cass has submitted her final report and recommendations to NHS England in her role as Chair of the Independent Review of gender identity services for children and young people.

Download from https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

(There's nothing quite like growing a human inside you to make you make you deeply sceptical about the suggestion that India Willoughby is living as a woman and Freddy McConnell is living as a man.)

Yes, it's quite stark when you take them both into account at the same time.

Let’s see if dickheads like this will emerge unscathed from their part in promoting this social contagion.

Spoiler alert - it’s only women and kids they were fucking over, so they will.

IW posted, but was reacting to a sex matters thread rather than IW doing any reading of the document

@RedToothBrush The irony with David Tennant's t-shirt, of course, is that had the Tavi left trans kids alone they would probably have actually had better long term outcomes than with their intervention. So I can't help but think 'Leave trans kids alone you absolute freaks' wasn't too far off the mark, just aimed at the wrong people!

Strewth. Giving Willoughby a microphone is the absolute best thing gc women can do.

Apparently binned yesterday

order-order.com/2024/04/09/exclusive-sunak-completely-kills-off-gay-conversion-therapy-ban/

Interesting though to compare its output across different countries. I'm in Australia and the Australian version of the Guardian has the stories on the Cass report buried way down the page. Much less relevant in Aussie news.

It is gross negligence surely?

The doctor does not record the birth sex as they are worried that it might look bad in a subsequent investigation. There is an avalanche of girls applying to the service and they know that it's evedence of a social contagion and so despite this they just keep injecting these girls with testosterone.

If you are giving teenagers health care without a system in place for monitoring and assesing them then you are not providing best medical practice anymore.
You are just an unethical fraud in white coat giving kids life changing off label experimental drugs.

Mate, I’m a child-free woman and I can still see that it’s all a crock of shite

Later this morning I'm going to book an appointment at a surgery with my MP so that I can go in and wave the articles at both him and his supercilious staff and say 'I told you. I told you all this six years ago. And you have treated me as if I'm insane — as if I'm the problem.' As everyone has said, the Cass report confirms that everything we've been concerned about here for years was right. Thank goodness for Mumsnet, even if I was regularly deleted and sanctioned and have been banned on two occasions.

In addition, finding out that the NHS records gender over sex is absolute madness. How on earth do cervical/breast cancer screening letters get sent out correctly?

I haven't read the report yet but I have a number of questions about the NHS and how they allowed this to happen? How did we end up with the NHS giving unevidenced treatment to children?

Where was NHS England and the senior leadership, where was the care quality commission. Where were the usual checks and balances.

Women are really moving everything forward. From sport, to prisons and now children.

Transactivists are trying their best to maintain the stranglehold, but the public are absolutely waking up to the entire house of cards.

All helped by them listening, even peripherally, to TRAs 😀

Hahahhahahahha.

That was done quietly.

But not before all the TRA MPs had clearly identified themselves and have their comments recorded on Hansard.

Good for you! Please update us on their response.

So... can we get back to evidence based medical care now? Or is this a step in the right direction but will take many more to rescue this crazy?

Helen Joyce:
https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1777960781977407599?s=19

"I've just been on BBC radio 5 live.You can probably listen back. From about 8.10. Listen from 8.05 to catch the transwoman before me who explains he was always a girl because as a child he wore a blonde wig and pink dresses."

Our main left wing media outlet trying to cater to the electorate in a different country is a major problem for our democracy.

It’s definitely not over. The strategy to push gender identity over biological sex has been a structured and systematic process for decades.

I’ve witnessed my university go from supporting LGB to being ’queered’ with pronouns being taught as part of university-wide professional development and human rights training (deliberately?) misinterpreting protected characteristics, threats to faculty working on sex-related research, silencing of any counter viewpoints, student union fetish societies, badges, meetings started with introductions of our pronouns etc etc etc. We are, as you might imagine, SW Diversity Champions. It all came on the back of eminently good intentions of inclusivity. But it now feels almost impossible to turn the tide at our institution to reconsider any of the thinking or policies.

Forstater started us on the road for individuals to have their belief in the immutability of sex as a protected belief and helped others win their ETs. Now Cass is a necessary first step along a painful and lengthy journey to child and young people safeguarding.

But there are many many sincere ideologues out there, along with the insincere and manipulative male AGPs in positions of authority, who are furious and confused about any resistance and will do their utmost to continue to push this harmful and tragic nonsense.

One thing that worries me about Cass: Lastly, the evidence base showing whether psychosocial interventions – therapy – work for those who do not undergo hormone treatment is “as weak” as for puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.

I assume this means therapy not to affirm their ideas about being the opposite sex, but to help them come to terms with their own sex and their body and place in society etc. Does this mean it's likely that therapy isn't effective? Or just that there isn't (yet) enough data?

I am wondering what posters who are scolding FWR think that we should have done? We have been deleted, some banned, some doxed for speaking out on this. We have been factual and unfailingly polite (well, the politeness went for some recently recently I think).

Should we have:

A) Let them trans other children as long as our own were protected (do it to Julia)?

B) Pretending that we didn’t realise how dangerous this is to protect the feelings of teachers and parents who were ignorant?

C) be nice and kind about all people with penises who threatened women, who doxxed women, who sued women?

D) Be grateful and quiet when receiving dick pics from lovely transwomen (didn’t this happen to baroness Nicholson and didn’t JK Rowing receive tons of dick pics on the thread where she asked children to provide pictures to the Ickabog?

I am looking forward to further insight into which of the alternatives/ combinations of alternatives these posters have in mind….

Thank you to all the women on mumsnet who have refused to be silenced on this issue. What a shame this report was released so late for all the children who may have suffered unnecessarily.

Apparently binned yesterday

https://order-order.com/2024/04/09/exclusive-sunak-completely-kills-off-gay-conversion-therapy-ban/

With Cass advising that there's still no long term evidence base about psychological treatment only, it completely negates any argument that psych therapy is conversion therapy.

And if they're coming from an angle of ' ideas of gender is fluid and may change over time' it also puts to rest the idea that there's a "trans child" to convert in the first place.

Do you have any examples of extremes views from the MN boards?