KjK "insane rant" thread 2

[AdamRyan]

First thread filled up just as it was getting interesting

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5036512-kjks-insane-rant

So let's keep it going. My characterisation if the two basic positions are:

1)KJK is a stone cold legend, haters gonna hate but many women will give her cash to bathe in champagne

2. KJK is taking right wing positions for clicks and cash, most recently criticising a doctors conference to stay relevant.

Happy to discuss further. There are some particular posts I want to respond to which I will c&p below

@datun

... and her actual campaigning?

I think she's lost control of it. If she's not conservative, she needs to control who she associates with and what she posts. If she wants to lead a movement, these are crucial things to consider. Her messages are confusing.

Its easy to skip through the comments that dont intetest you, and quote and respond to ones that do.

I do think, though, if posters cant come up with a convincing argument about a topic within the first 1000 posts, another 1000 posts using the same arguments are unlikely to work either.

Calling someone far right without any substance has being used so much by this stage, its lost all power. Saying someone makes money out of youtube and selling merch is not a gotcha, its legitimate ways to make money now.

If i didnt like KJK, i would try to promote others and make her irrelevant. I wouldnt remind people she is on youtube, shes starting a political party or she has merch to sell.

Her messages are confusing.

Her message is crystal clear and uncompromising - men cannot be women

What is confusing is the leaps we are expected to make to see how she is far right, or someone in this for the money only.

And Adam has persistently and consistently misrepresented what's she's read (either through lack of understanding or in a deliberate attempt to smear) and listened to in order to fit her narrative about KJK.

If you don't want to be thought of as a bad faith actor and treated accordingly, don't spend your time spreading false information about what you've read and heard. 🤷‍♀️

I agree her message is crystal clear. I think this is what pisses certain people off because she makes no apology whether the issue of women's rights and safety aligns her left, right or centre. The rights of women and children should be a priority across all parties.

She doesn't want to lead a movement though. Where do you get that idea from?

Are you are saying she needs to control who she associates with based on certain people attending her rallies? Nobody can control that. Absolutely nobody.

Her message is "men are not women". That's not confusing at all.

@NoWordForFluffy @Flickersy

If you don't want to be thought of as a bad faith actor and treated accordingly, don't spend your time spreading false information about what you've read and heard. 🤷‍♀️

I'm in agreement with Flickersy - "attempts to derail by talking about cheese, celebrities, and Oxo cubes, attempts to link Adam to IW, attempts to imply Adam is some sort of danger to children based on her views / user name, posts calling her "dim" and other attacks, some of which have been deleted - robust disagreement" my arse". These tactics are used on other threads, too, with any poster that might stick their head above the parapet. They become recognisable and tiresome.

Nothing is false there. AdamRyan has just refused to leave the thread, that's all, despite repeated requests for her to stop talking - ironically.

@PurpleSparkledPixie

She doesn't want to lead a movement though. Where do you get that idea from?

Okay, a leader. Because she is doing global speaking tours? She has adoring fangirls that call her KJK? She has Twitter pages that look more like a rock star's?

The core message - men cannot be women - is fine. It's the rest I find somewhat toxic.

That call her KJK 😱

😱 OMG! Call the police!!

that will be because typing Kellie Jay Keen Minshull is a bit of a faff when KJK works just as well

Adoring fan girls for shortening her name???? I also shorten India Willoughby to IW so obviously I adore IW too!

Erm the title of the thread refers to her as KJK. Is Adam one of these fan girls too?

The core message is it. The rest is just getting the message across.

No idea what this 'leader' bit is all about. Has she said that's what she's trying to do?

And I don't write KJK because I'm a 'fangirl'. It's because I'm lazy. We all just used to call her Posie until she started to use her real name, which as BB has said, is a bit of a faff to type out every time.

(Not sure if I'm now also a 'fangirl' of BB since I can't be bothered to type out her name in full either.)

Aww cute!
I feel like you have now outed yourself to your family though....
And No I am not quite old enough to remember it

I muted this thread because 😶you know, wow. Was just intrigued whether it had gotten to accusations of Satanic rituals yet.

I just wanted to pick up on a comment by a pp - 'there's no smoke without fire'. That's errant nonsense though, isn't it? Apart from the Lorna Slater example I gave early in the thread, anyone can make up anything. I could say, for example, that a well known TV chef went into a Costa Coffee yesterday, picked up a packet of the chocolate mini muffins, stuffed one in both ears and shouted 'pitiful humans, all hail the Muffin Man!'. But it's nonsense. I made it up. But someone somewhere would undoubtedly say 'ooh, he always seemed like a wrong'un - that doesn't surprise me at all'.

I out myself to anyone who knows me just about daily on here!

(It was a glorious summer!)

And who could blame you?

That is an interesting perspective.

That's not how humans talk. A narrative is of sentences doesn't tend to be a "list of unconnected facts". It tends to be facts that are coherently linked into the point the narrator is trying to make.

The only evidence was from bugging, there were loads of problems with that (including doubts over the accuracy of the transcription) which is why the case collapsed. So there is no "allegedly" about it any more. That evidence was withdrawn as unreliable.

I'm not posting links due to previous details but Google can tell you more about it. There are articles on the BBC and other mainstream sites about that evidence. I would now treat that story with caution.

And thanks to PP upthread for raising it because I had no idea about that, which just goes to show how embedded that myth is.

Thank you.
I don't see why I should name change, I'm not ashamed of my opinions. I'm sorry you felt you needed to

Unscripted YouTube livestreams/podcasts (I can’t remember where this particular transcript was taken from) aren’t the way humans usually talk either, so you have to engage your brain in a slightly different way when listening to them 🤷‍♀️

Thank you

Me too, tbh 😂

Oh for goodness sake.
I have not.
I've been to the time to transcribe her video.
You discounted her words as "a list". Your choice. I think she was using points to make an argument, with a conclusion I disagree with.

That's a difference of opinion, not a "misrepresentation" on either side. And it's not "false information".

Here maybe

https://www.partyofwomen.org/

It's hardly the type of marketing someone would use if they "didn't want to lead a movement".

She clearly enjoys being a leader. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Ah OK. This is my fault for not being trained in how to process youtube correctly. Understood

Do you think, maybe, that the reason people repeatedly say KJK is right wing/linked the the far right/says far right things, could be that a lot of people aren't trained in "how to process youtube" and still use the old fashioned norms of human communication? And that maybe its not a sign of "smears" but their genuine interpretation of what she says?

And if that's the case, maybe she could help herself and communicate across channels using different styles so all women can access her messages accurately?