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JKR exposing Scottish hate crime laws for what they are

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LargeSquareRock · 01/04/2024 12:14

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1774747068944265615?s=61&t=NHDSDk1MaF98_GOtcuLi0Q

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Boiledbeetle · 02/04/2024 16:39

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Bet the TRAs are fuming!

Boiledbeetle · 02/04/2024 16:39

ResisterRex · 02/04/2024 16:38

JK Rowling hate crime tweets not criminal - police
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68712471

Social media comments made by JK Rowling challenging Scotland's new hate crime law are not being treated as criminal, Police Scotland has said.
The Harry Potter author, who lives in Edinburgh, described several transgender women as men, including convicted prisoners, trans activists and other public figures.
This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 02/04/2024 16:42

I like this one:
https://twitter.com/Rob_ThaBuilder/status/1774959860502708291

It's hard to overstate how important - and strategically brilliant - @jk_rowling's power move was today, a first-move checkmate that effectively
neutered Scotland's dangerous new #HateCrimeBill. By openly and unambiguously breaking this law - on a massive public platform - on its very first day, she has in effect nullified the law by forcing the authorities in Scotland into a corner where they only have two options, both of which will be this laws downfall. They can:

Option 1) Enforce the law as it's written, arrest Ms Rowling, creating the world's greatest Streisand Effect and put this law under the kind of extreme scrutiny it was never designed to withstand. Her arrest and trial would be in many ways the biggest media event in years and give the deep-pocketed Rowling the world's biggest stage with which to our transgenderism on trial. Anybody regularly involved in this debate knows the massive, enormous flaws in the logic that underpins gender ideology, and instinctively understands a trial of this magnitude would be a death blow both for this law in particular, and gender ideology in general. Personally, although I don't know what's going on inside Ms Rowling's head, I suspect this route is her preferred option. I think she wants this fight. Her taunting responses all day to the smooth brained pearl-clutchers whining about her thread suggests she's run out of fucks to give and wants to have this battle out in a real forum. And what better forum than a court of law?

Option 2) They DONT enforce the law (precisely BECAUSE they know it would kick off a humiliating battle they cannot win, and would galvanize such strong public support against the law that the SNP would likely suffer catastrophic political consequences) and the Elephant In The Room of having such a massive public personality so openly break the law without any consequences effectively renders the law null and void for anybody charged with it who ISN'T JK Rowling. All anybody charged with this law would have to do would be introduce Rowling's tweet thread in court and make the extremely persuasive argument that it is being selectively and arbitrarily enforced. After all, if such a massive public voice isn't charged under this law, clearly the law is unenforceable on anyone else. In effect, Rowling has created a shield for anyone WITHOUT her massive platform and deep pockets with her thread that - so long as it remains public on @X and she remains uncharged - effectively gives anyone else a Get Out of Jail Free card.

Either way, the law is cooked: either they charge Rowling and the resulting massive scrutiny of the law will inevitably result in it's repeal OR they don't charge her and the law is in effect utterly nullified.

Heads she wins, tails they lose. This is about as close to a chess match being lost on the first move as you're ever going to see.

https://twitter.com/Rob_ThaBuilder/status/1774959860502708291

SerendipityJane · 02/04/2024 16:42

ResisterRex · 02/04/2024 16:38

JK Rowling hate crime tweets not criminal - police
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68712471

But are they being recorded on a register somewhere ?

SerendipityJane · 02/04/2024 16:46

AlecTrevelyan006 · 02/04/2024 16:42

I like this one:
https://twitter.com/Rob_ThaBuilder/status/1774959860502708291

It's hard to overstate how important - and strategically brilliant - @jk_rowling's power move was today, a first-move checkmate that effectively
neutered Scotland's dangerous new #HateCrimeBill. By openly and unambiguously breaking this law - on a massive public platform - on its very first day, she has in effect nullified the law by forcing the authorities in Scotland into a corner where they only have two options, both of which will be this laws downfall. They can:

Option 1) Enforce the law as it's written, arrest Ms Rowling, creating the world's greatest Streisand Effect and put this law under the kind of extreme scrutiny it was never designed to withstand. Her arrest and trial would be in many ways the biggest media event in years and give the deep-pocketed Rowling the world's biggest stage with which to our transgenderism on trial. Anybody regularly involved in this debate knows the massive, enormous flaws in the logic that underpins gender ideology, and instinctively understands a trial of this magnitude would be a death blow both for this law in particular, and gender ideology in general. Personally, although I don't know what's going on inside Ms Rowling's head, I suspect this route is her preferred option. I think she wants this fight. Her taunting responses all day to the smooth brained pearl-clutchers whining about her thread suggests she's run out of fucks to give and wants to have this battle out in a real forum. And what better forum than a court of law?

Option 2) They DONT enforce the law (precisely BECAUSE they know it would kick off a humiliating battle they cannot win, and would galvanize such strong public support against the law that the SNP would likely suffer catastrophic political consequences) and the Elephant In The Room of having such a massive public personality so openly break the law without any consequences effectively renders the law null and void for anybody charged with it who ISN'T JK Rowling. All anybody charged with this law would have to do would be introduce Rowling's tweet thread in court and make the extremely persuasive argument that it is being selectively and arbitrarily enforced. After all, if such a massive public voice isn't charged under this law, clearly the law is unenforceable on anyone else. In effect, Rowling has created a shield for anyone WITHOUT her massive platform and deep pockets with her thread that - so long as it remains public on @X and she remains uncharged - effectively gives anyone else a Get Out of Jail Free card.

Either way, the law is cooked: either they charge Rowling and the resulting massive scrutiny of the law will inevitably result in it's repeal OR they don't charge her and the law is in effect utterly nullified.

Heads she wins, tails they lose. This is about as close to a chess match being lost on the first move as you're ever going to see.

For a chefs kiss, you now need to punt the conspiraloon theory that in actual fact this was the SNPs aim all along. Obviously that makes zero sense, but who would notice ?

DisappearingGirl · 02/04/2024 16:47

SerendipityJane · 02/04/2024 16:42

But are they being recorded on a register somewhere ?

That's what I was going to ask. JKR's comments may not be criminal, but are they being secretly recorded as non-crime hate incidents, to appear later on a DBS check?

This is far more scary than the threat of an open arrest, in many ways

Chersfrozenface · 02/04/2024 16:50

The BBC story says "no action would be taken."

But it also says complaints [sic, plural] had been received.

So the police are ignoring the perception of the complainants. Can they even do that under the new law?

334bu · 02/04/2024 16:50

I should imagine that Ms Rowling will be checking whether she is now on the hate crime incident list , and if so will perhaps join Murdo Fraser in his legal challenge.

Chersfrozenface · 02/04/2024 16:51

DisappearingGirl · 02/04/2024 16:47

That's what I was going to ask. JKR's comments may not be criminal, but are they being secretly recorded as non-crime hate incidents, to appear later on a DBS check?

This is far more scary than the threat of an open arrest, in many ways

Edited

Subject access request going in as we speak?

RedToothBrush · 02/04/2024 16:52

DisappearingGirl · 02/04/2024 16:47

That's what I was going to ask. JKR's comments may not be criminal, but are they being secretly recorded as non-crime hate incidents, to appear later on a DBS check?

This is far more scary than the threat of an open arrest, in many ways

Edited

Well I think we will find out soon enough....

And at which point there will have to be consideration given to whether this is workable too.

Snowypeaks · 02/04/2024 16:52

WallaceinAnderland · 02/04/2024 16:19

It would appear that at least 3 unimpressed people have been in touch with IW already.

Although who the hell are Katie Aldi and Mridul Wadh? 😕

The funny thing is that it was IW who called it "a list of sex offenders...and me".

PronounssheRa · 02/04/2024 16:54

Chersfrozenface · 02/04/2024 16:51

Subject access request going in as we speak?

Everyone who suspects they might have a NCHI recorded against them should be making SARs on a regular basis.

Emotionalsupportviper · 02/04/2024 16:55

SidewaysOtter · 02/04/2024 15:35

Remind her that my bins need washing, will you

Oi, there’s a queue you know!

It will take 10 minutes!

Stop fussing!

Emotionalsupportviper · 02/04/2024 16:56

AutumnCrow · 02/04/2024 15:57

I remember that. Indeed I remember thinking that instead of him jumping up and trying to do some not-very-convincing 'good-natured' banter with the press about how he knew they were going to use it to make him look terrible, he should have stayed down and pretended to have hit his head.

Then Glenys could have cradled his head and held it above the surf till the reporters ran to help, and Neil could have shaped it as an exciting skirmish with death topped with some kind of 'greatest love story ever told' narrative while he bonded with his saviours, the British press.

But I'm quite machiavellian.

That's genius!

SerendipityJane · 02/04/2024 17:04

PronounssheRa · 02/04/2024 16:54

Everyone who suspects they might have a NCHI recorded against them should be making SARs on a regular basis.

The legislation provides for bodies to ignore "vexatious" requests (and a whole load of other reasons).

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/individual-rights/right-of-access/when-can-we-refuse-to-comply-with-a-request/

When can we refuse to comply with a request?

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/individual-rights/right-of-access/when-can-we-refuse-to-comply-with-a-request

Karensalright · 02/04/2024 17:05

Robert Rinder (the barrister) fronted Jeremy Vine this morning. He commented that the Equality Act expressly protects freedom of speech, and that this Law will fail at the first legal challenge and will be rendered void.

Emotionalsupportviper · 02/04/2024 17:06

WallaceinAnderland · 02/04/2024 16:19

It would appear that at least 3 unimpressed people have been in touch with IW already.

Although who the hell are Katie Aldi and Mridul Wadh? 😕

Hello - quick bit of backing up, there.

I don't know Katie Aldi, but the other one is the transwoman who was appointed to the "woman-only" post as head of a Scottish Rape Crisis Centre, opened it up to men who identified as women, and who, IIRC, suggested that women should "reframe their trauma" if they didn't like sharing the space with trans-identifying men.

Oddly, no-one has ever suggested to a trans-identifying man that he should "reframe his trauma" if he is fearful for his life after the literal violence of being "misgendered".

Imnobody4 · 02/04/2024 17:07

Haven't read the whole thread so this might have been shared. Yasmin Alibhai Brown, someone I used to respect on Times Radio.

https://x.com/OkayBiology/status/1774925916289867887?t=faCMX1F-sFbmZgXiR0vs_A&s=09

She met Jan Morris in the women's toilets who asked her if she wore petticoats, perfectly normal.

https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/1774907521527931349?t=faCMX1F-sFbmZgXiR0vs_A&s=09

https://x.com/OkayBiology/status/1774925916289867887?s=09&t=faCMX1F-sFbmZgXiR0vs_A

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/04/2024 17:07

Karensalright · 02/04/2024 17:05

Robert Rinder (the barrister) fronted Jeremy Vine this morning. He commented that the Equality Act expressly protects freedom of speech, and that this Law will fail at the first legal challenge and will be rendered void.

Indeed.

But I suspect that JK Rowling was hoping to be the one to challenge it in a court of law by getting herself arrested and charged, given that she doesn't need to start a Go Fund Me to pay her legal fees.

SabrinaThwaite · 02/04/2024 17:11

That’s the polis telt.

JKR exposing Scottish hate crime laws for what they are
JKR exposing Scottish hate crime laws for what they are
MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/04/2024 17:12

AlecTrevelyan006 · 02/04/2024 16:42

I like this one:
https://twitter.com/Rob_ThaBuilder/status/1774959860502708291

It's hard to overstate how important - and strategically brilliant - @jk_rowling's power move was today, a first-move checkmate that effectively
neutered Scotland's dangerous new #HateCrimeBill. By openly and unambiguously breaking this law - on a massive public platform - on its very first day, she has in effect nullified the law by forcing the authorities in Scotland into a corner where they only have two options, both of which will be this laws downfall. They can:

Option 1) Enforce the law as it's written, arrest Ms Rowling, creating the world's greatest Streisand Effect and put this law under the kind of extreme scrutiny it was never designed to withstand. Her arrest and trial would be in many ways the biggest media event in years and give the deep-pocketed Rowling the world's biggest stage with which to our transgenderism on trial. Anybody regularly involved in this debate knows the massive, enormous flaws in the logic that underpins gender ideology, and instinctively understands a trial of this magnitude would be a death blow both for this law in particular, and gender ideology in general. Personally, although I don't know what's going on inside Ms Rowling's head, I suspect this route is her preferred option. I think she wants this fight. Her taunting responses all day to the smooth brained pearl-clutchers whining about her thread suggests she's run out of fucks to give and wants to have this battle out in a real forum. And what better forum than a court of law?

Option 2) They DONT enforce the law (precisely BECAUSE they know it would kick off a humiliating battle they cannot win, and would galvanize such strong public support against the law that the SNP would likely suffer catastrophic political consequences) and the Elephant In The Room of having such a massive public personality so openly break the law without any consequences effectively renders the law null and void for anybody charged with it who ISN'T JK Rowling. All anybody charged with this law would have to do would be introduce Rowling's tweet thread in court and make the extremely persuasive argument that it is being selectively and arbitrarily enforced. After all, if such a massive public voice isn't charged under this law, clearly the law is unenforceable on anyone else. In effect, Rowling has created a shield for anyone WITHOUT her massive platform and deep pockets with her thread that - so long as it remains public on @X and she remains uncharged - effectively gives anyone else a Get Out of Jail Free card.

Either way, the law is cooked: either they charge Rowling and the resulting massive scrutiny of the law will inevitably result in it's repeal OR they don't charge her and the law is in effect utterly nullified.

Heads she wins, tails they lose. This is about as close to a chess match being lost on the first move as you're ever going to see.

That is a brilliant observation - she's effectively thrown a supportive arm around all women and men - ensuring that they can't be targeted by the trans extremists.
What a wonderful woman.

Karensalright · 02/04/2024 17:13

@MissScarletInTheBallroom i believe you are spot on. Having read Helen Joyce article, in which, she suggests that those who could afford to should protect ordinary women by putting themselves in the firing line, and going to court.

As an ill thought out prosecution will take this law down. Our high profile GC women have hatched a plan amongst themselves, to brilliant effect in my opinion.

Boiledbeetle · 02/04/2024 17:14

SabrinaThwaite · 02/04/2024 17:11

That’s the polis telt.

She knows exactly how this is going to pan out doesn't she!

SerendipityJane · 02/04/2024 17:14

Karensalright · 02/04/2024 17:05

Robert Rinder (the barrister) fronted Jeremy Vine this morning. He commented that the Equality Act expressly protects freedom of speech, and that this Law will fail at the first legal challenge and will be rendered void.

Didn't stop Lincolnshire police checking Harry the Owls thinking

SerendipityJane · 02/04/2024 17:17

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/04/2024 17:07

Indeed.

But I suspect that JK Rowling was hoping to be the one to challenge it in a court of law by getting herself arrested and charged, given that she doesn't need to start a Go Fund Me to pay her legal fees.

I suspect she knew fuck all would happen. Bullies are invariably cowards.

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