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JKR exposing Scottish hate crime laws for what they are

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LargeSquareRock · 01/04/2024 12:14

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1774747068944265615?s=61&t=NHDSDk1MaF98_GOtcuLi0Q

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AutumnCrow · 01/04/2024 20:14

LoobiJee · 01/04/2024 20:08

Sorry to be a pedant, but hasn’t Random Man misspelled ‘canon’ in that context?

As in, it should be ‘canon’ not cannon.

I think the context read like volley of fire from a cannon (weapon) as opposed to a body of work? But it's all about the perception of the observer, obvs.

pombear · 01/04/2024 20:14

Datun · 01/04/2024 20:09

Oh, that probably wasn't what you were asking pombear. I'm sure you're completely au fait with what they're doing !

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Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2024 20:15

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JKR exposing Scottish hate crime laws for what they are
LoobiJee · 01/04/2024 20:19

AutumnCrow · 01/04/2024 20:14

I think the context read like volley of fire from a cannon (weapon) as opposed to a body of work? But it's all about the perception of the observer, obvs.

I thought he meant ‘canon’ as in body of writing, but he didn’t know how to spell it.

Cambridge dictionary definition:

the writings or other works that are generally* agreedto be good, important, and worth studying: *
He has made it into the canon of English poetry.
She argues that the canon must be opened up to more non-European writers.
People sometimes think the classical music canon finishes around 1900.

[ C usually singular ]all the writings or other works* known to be by a particular person: *
the Shakespearean canon
This is as important a piece of music as any in the Mahler canon.

Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2024 20:20

Motorina · 01/04/2024 20:13

Really? That’s … beyond bonkers. So I could report pretty much everything said by Trump and, if it’s reported in Scotland, a local bobby is dispatched to tell him to watch his language??

Until they decide otherwise (probably by lunchtime tomorrow) YEP! Although they have to investigate first and that could take them until about 2034!

maltravers · 01/04/2024 20:20

dapsnotplimsolls · 01/04/2024 19:02

The ploppers are now accusing JKR of being racist on TwiX.

When the barrel is empty you’ve got to scrape it. Amazing how often “transphobia” is now “white supremacy” - do all those white TW identify as black as well as identifying as women?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/04/2024 20:24

@Cazpar https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

"Since 2016, Mumsnetspecifically its Feminism boardoard_--has increasingly found itself on the receiving end of criticism from trans people and their allies. “When I started using Twitter and engaging in the trans sphere in mid-2017, Mumsnet was constantly referenced both on my timeline and in DMs,” says Joss Prior, a trans woman who is part of a sizable trans community that monitors and discusses Mumsnet regularly. “The whole of the Feminism board was like a spectre hanging over the daily trans discourse.”^

Prior points to the now partially-deleted but notorious 2016 “I Am Spartacus” thread in which a user asserted that “men cannot become women, ever. Women cannot become men, ever” and went on to misgender a number of trans men and women, including high-profile campaigners Paris Lees and Danielle Muscato. The post sparked thousands of supportive comments and is consistently referenced in up-to-date threads, with “I am Spartacus” acting as a shorthand rallying call for anti-trans feminists. Attempts have even been made to organize campaigning activityty_ around the phrase.^

In March of this year, Mumsnet was used to organize against Girlguiding’s trans-inclusive membership policyy in collaboration with anti-self identification campaign group Fair Play For Women. Users also responded to Gender Recognition Act proposalss that would allow trans people to self-identify with protests such as Man Fridayy, a campaign that encourages cis women “identify as men on Fridays"" and partake in male behaviours like “manspreading and mansplaining” or to access single sex male spaces such as changing rooms, swimming facilities, or sports clubs.
It’s a core group of a few hundred hardcore trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), a tiny percentage of overall users,” says Christine, the mother of a trans child and also part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet. (Christine’s name has been changed for privacy reasons.) “Yet the Feminism board is just 90 percent discussions about trans people on any given day.”
Testing this out across four consecutive days, I found threads about trans rights and related topics to consistently dominate the Feminism board, with new threads appearing more than hourly and the handful of unrelated topics receiving only a fraction of the same engagement in terms of comment numbers. Topics during this time included discussions about specific trans campaigners, gender reassignment surgery for children, and the now-closed Gender Recognition Act consultationon. Searches for the names of high-profile trans women throw up many instances of deadnaming and misgendering amid sometimes intensely personal insults. A search of my own name returns a post calling me “a witless handmaiden”n” for supporting trans people on Twitter." (Continues)

No comment, but that remark wasn't me! At the time I wondered if it was.

forgotmyusername1 · 01/04/2024 20:25

Think India Willoughby needs to be reported for calling some of her fellow sisters sex offenders when they are not.

NoTimeToSee · 01/04/2024 20:25

Worth looking at who else voted for this legislation. Not just the SNP and Greens. There were 15 Labour MSPs who voted in favour of it (and only 3 against).

Conservative MSPs - only 1 voted for it and 28 against.

maltravers · 01/04/2024 20:26

dapsnotplimsolls · 01/04/2024 19:56

How very dare she not take his advice?!

Who does this woman think she is!

Helleofabore · 01/04/2024 20:27

I really am finding the contributions on this thread interesting.

We really do have a poster who cannot recognise abuse, who supports abusers, feeling they can shame women who disagree with them and who prioritise female people over male people and sex over gender when sex needs to prioritised. It is remarkable how blind to the abusiveness that they support some people really are.

But on we go.

UniversalAunt · 01/04/2024 20:27

dapsnotplimsolls · 01/04/2024 17:14

<seriously considers spoiling ballot paper by voting for JKR>

Sounds like a plan…

Cazpar · 01/04/2024 20:32

Thanks @Ereshkigalangcleg, but that doesn't actually say a lot. What does this network do, what is their intention, and where is the evidence for it's existence? It's a very brief comment with basically no information.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/04/2024 20:34

I'm just demonstrating where the term "the monitors" comes from @Cazpar. As some people don't know. I didn't write the article.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/04/2024 20:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/04/2024 20:24

@Cazpar https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

"Since 2016, Mumsnetspecifically its Feminism boardoard_--has increasingly found itself on the receiving end of criticism from trans people and their allies. “When I started using Twitter and engaging in the trans sphere in mid-2017, Mumsnet was constantly referenced both on my timeline and in DMs,” says Joss Prior, a trans woman who is part of a sizable trans community that monitors and discusses Mumsnet regularly. “The whole of the Feminism board was like a spectre hanging over the daily trans discourse.”^

Prior points to the now partially-deleted but notorious 2016 “I Am Spartacus” thread in which a user asserted that “men cannot become women, ever. Women cannot become men, ever” and went on to misgender a number of trans men and women, including high-profile campaigners Paris Lees and Danielle Muscato. The post sparked thousands of supportive comments and is consistently referenced in up-to-date threads, with “I am Spartacus” acting as a shorthand rallying call for anti-trans feminists. Attempts have even been made to organize campaigning activityty_ around the phrase.^

In March of this year, Mumsnet was used to organize against Girlguiding’s trans-inclusive membership policyy in collaboration with anti-self identification campaign group Fair Play For Women. Users also responded to Gender Recognition Act proposalss that would allow trans people to self-identify with protests such as Man Fridayy, a campaign that encourages cis women “identify as men on Fridays"" and partake in male behaviours like “manspreading and mansplaining” or to access single sex male spaces such as changing rooms, swimming facilities, or sports clubs.
It’s a core group of a few hundred hardcore trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), a tiny percentage of overall users,” says Christine, the mother of a trans child and also part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet. (Christine’s name has been changed for privacy reasons.) “Yet the Feminism board is just 90 percent discussions about trans people on any given day.”
Testing this out across four consecutive days, I found threads about trans rights and related topics to consistently dominate the Feminism board, with new threads appearing more than hourly and the handful of unrelated topics receiving only a fraction of the same engagement in terms of comment numbers. Topics during this time included discussions about specific trans campaigners, gender reassignment surgery for children, and the now-closed Gender Recognition Act consultationon. Searches for the names of high-profile trans women throw up many instances of deadnaming and misgendering amid sometimes intensely personal insults. A search of my own name returns a post calling me “a witless handmaiden”n” for supporting trans people on Twitter." (Continues)

No comment, but that remark wasn't me! At the time I wondered if it was.

How dare women talk about things that affect them?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/04/2024 20:36

Anyway, what's your thoughts on the Scottish hate crime law and JKR's comments @Cazpar? I believe you are "GC sometimes", right?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/04/2024 20:37

How dare women talk about things that affect them?

They must be "monitored"! It caught on on FWR, and here we are.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/04/2024 20:37

Beetle Grin

Cazpar · 01/04/2024 20:38

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/04/2024 20:36

Anyway, what's your thoughts on the Scottish hate crime law and JKR's comments @Cazpar? I believe you are "GC sometimes", right?

I thought JKRs thread was quite good, if you must know.

Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2024 20:38

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/04/2024 20:37

Beetle Grin

Moley is on form tonight I've probably missed a few!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/04/2024 20:41

I thought JKRs thread was quite good, if you must know.

Great. Something we agree on then.

Waitwhat23 · 01/04/2024 20:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/04/2024 20:24

@Cazpar https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

"Since 2016, Mumsnetspecifically its Feminism boardoard_--has increasingly found itself on the receiving end of criticism from trans people and their allies. “When I started using Twitter and engaging in the trans sphere in mid-2017, Mumsnet was constantly referenced both on my timeline and in DMs,” says Joss Prior, a trans woman who is part of a sizable trans community that monitors and discusses Mumsnet regularly. “The whole of the Feminism board was like a spectre hanging over the daily trans discourse.”^

Prior points to the now partially-deleted but notorious 2016 “I Am Spartacus” thread in which a user asserted that “men cannot become women, ever. Women cannot become men, ever” and went on to misgender a number of trans men and women, including high-profile campaigners Paris Lees and Danielle Muscato. The post sparked thousands of supportive comments and is consistently referenced in up-to-date threads, with “I am Spartacus” acting as a shorthand rallying call for anti-trans feminists. Attempts have even been made to organize campaigning activityty_ around the phrase.^

In March of this year, Mumsnet was used to organize against Girlguiding’s trans-inclusive membership policyy in collaboration with anti-self identification campaign group Fair Play For Women. Users also responded to Gender Recognition Act proposalss that would allow trans people to self-identify with protests such as Man Fridayy, a campaign that encourages cis women “identify as men on Fridays"" and partake in male behaviours like “manspreading and mansplaining” or to access single sex male spaces such as changing rooms, swimming facilities, or sports clubs.
It’s a core group of a few hundred hardcore trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), a tiny percentage of overall users,” says Christine, the mother of a trans child and also part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet. (Christine’s name has been changed for privacy reasons.) “Yet the Feminism board is just 90 percent discussions about trans people on any given day.”
Testing this out across four consecutive days, I found threads about trans rights and related topics to consistently dominate the Feminism board, with new threads appearing more than hourly and the handful of unrelated topics receiving only a fraction of the same engagement in terms of comment numbers. Topics during this time included discussions about specific trans campaigners, gender reassignment surgery for children, and the now-closed Gender Recognition Act consultationon. Searches for the names of high-profile trans women throw up many instances of deadnaming and misgendering amid sometimes intensely personal insults. A search of my own name returns a post calling me “a witless handmaiden”n” for supporting trans people on Twitter." (Continues)

No comment, but that remark wasn't me! At the time I wondered if it was.

Thanks Eresh, interesting read.

So for those denying the existence of misogynistic monitors, in a handwaving 'you ridiculous paranoid women' way, I've got the two following quotes (my bolds) -

'Joss Prior, a trans woman who is part of a sizable trans community that monitors and discusses Mumsnet regularly.'

'Christine, the mother of a trans child and also part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet.'

The article also speaks in, if not positive, then at least neutral terms in regards to the intern who revealed several posters' IP addresses!

ResisterRex · 01/04/2024 20:43

@Ereshkigalangcleg thank you for the article. Is that also around the time the TRAs tried to stop Bird's Eye advertising fish fingers on MN? I have a vague memory of this and it peaked me! It certainly inspired me to dig a lot more anyway, as it sounded so bizarre.

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