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JKR exposing Scottish hate crime laws for what they are

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LargeSquareRock · 01/04/2024 12:14

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1774747068944265615?s=61&t=NHDSDk1MaF98_GOtcuLi0Q

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WallaceinAnderland · 01/04/2024 19:31

SerendipityJane · 01/04/2024 19:21

...There's a man goin' 'round takin' names
And he decides who to free and who to blame...

There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Elvis
But he's a liar and I'm not sure about you

Waitwhat23 · 01/04/2024 19:31
Jennifer Lawrence Reaction GIF

Laughing at the handwaving away of the existence of the misogynistic monitors.

Because screenshots from threads on here are never posted on Twitter with an influx of posts by TRA's following swiftly afterwards. Never happens, honestly....

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/04/2024 19:32

Cazpar · 01/04/2024 19:18

The unspecified sinister "monitors".

It's easy to avoid a thread being pulled. No personal attacks, no troll hunting, and no transphobia. Since the first two are very clear in the guidelines, and since there's none of the latter on MN, this should be no problem right?

😂😂
I'm never sure why the few spend so much time on here moaning about women and reporting. There's over 1.9 thousand comments under the Times article and over 6,000 on the Telegraph - both increasing rapidly.

The game is up. The truth is out there and the public are on the side of women, safeguarding children (and JKR).

LarkLane · 01/04/2024 19:33

There's over 1.9 thousand comments under the Times article and over 6,000 on the Telegraph - both increasing rapidly
All six of us have been incredibly busy today.

Karensalright · 01/04/2024 19:34

Surely MNHQ are twitching about the Scot’s Act since they could also fall foul of it.

queenrowling · 01/04/2024 19:35

over recent years, Willoughby has made innumerable awful posts on twitter about women,
criticising their looks, their appearances, saying they look like men. (usually because they don't perform at being a woman, they just ARE a woman.)
Willloughby takes frequent pops at Sharon Davies, Helen Joyce, among others.
JK has taken so much shit for so
many years and wow, the faux naïveté now that Rowling finally responds.
Unbelievable.

ChishiyaBat · 01/04/2024 19:35

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/04/2024 19:29

Why would MN be looking for any excuse to pull a thread (that's getting lots of action and engagement) therefore good for them?
That makes no sense.

With great power comes great responsibility. Free speech is not all that free anymore, especially on this topic, I imagine they are afraid of getting in hot water for allowing people to air their views, but what do I know i'm not intelligent or powerful, just a middle aged woman, glad that others can put into words what I am not capable of saying myself.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 01/04/2024 19:35

GenderlessVoid · 01/04/2024 18:33

I'm yet to actually meet any woman who refuses to be in a space with ANY men or trans people because they've been raped or had some other kind of bad experience. And I know a lot of people who have been raped or sexually assaulted. - @potato57

The arrogance here is breathtaking. Do you think that everyone you know will tell you whether they've been sexually assaulted? Or if they do, that they'll tell you every problem this has created for them, esp when they might be called a bigot? Many ppl I know don't even tell their spouse or close friends about their CPTSD reactions, partly bc of the stigma but also bc it can be triggering, hard to explain, can effect every area of your life (and you don't want to make everything about your CPTSD), can be unpredictable, etc.

Why should they have to tell you? The idea that women have to justify their concerns or explain themselves to you is incredibly arrogant.

It took me more than 35 years to tell anyone about the relatively “mild” sexual abuse I experienced. What it must be like to experience abuse at the other end of the scale is unimaginable for anyone who hasn’t gone through it.

nocoolnamesleft · 01/04/2024 19:35

"Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two makes four" George Orwell, 1984

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/04/2024 19:35

Laughing at the handwaving away of the existence of the misogynistic monitors

MNHQ are mysogynistic monitors now?! (Seeing as that's what other posters are insisting is meant by monitors)
Laughing at the insistence that it's MNHQ monitors then along comes a post like this to show no, actually, some think there's a whole mysterious "they" and "all seeing monitors" rather than just people with a different opinion.
It's sooo weird on here sometimes.

Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2024 19:36

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/04/2024 19:13

"The monitors" 🙄
Why is there always some conspiracy theory to some all seeing, all lurking, unknown entity if posts are deleted if they break the guidelines?
See "there is no transphobia here, if there was it'd be deleted!"
Or "personal attacks aren't acceptable, report it!"
Then when they do go, it's a big conspiracy or silencing. 🙄

Mumsnet don't monitor all threads. They only delete stuff that gets reported. It appears that some of mnhq staff delete more than others. Some staff seen to take the time to check things out and some just delete everything requested.

I've had posts deleted for spurious reasons before now. Sometimes I'll discuss why with mnhq, but most of the time as they don't tell people, most of the time, when a post has been deleted I can't even remember what was written on it.

I've had a post deleted before now because i said a member of parliament looked like he was in rock band that played out of his parents garage!

Hell I've just had a gif of three dancing potatoes deleted!

And yes some threads get monitored and reported so many times by people who don't like what we say that they end up with a member of mnhq watching the thread in real time.

queenrowling · 01/04/2024 19:37

Karensalright · 01/04/2024 19:34

Surely MNHQ are twitching about the Scot’s Act since they could also fall foul of it.

that's Scottish law, right? Not applicable in the UK? Or is it? Confused.

Waitwhat23 · 01/04/2024 19:38

That's such a good reply from Boiled that I won't even bother formulating a reply!

Nowayhayday · 01/04/2024 19:39

queenrowling · 01/04/2024 19:37

that's Scottish law, right? Not applicable in the UK? Or is it? Confused.

Ahem. Scotland still in the U.K., we didn't win the independence vote!

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 19:40

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/04/2024 19:32

😂😂
I'm never sure why the few spend so much time on here moaning about women and reporting. There's over 1.9 thousand comments under the Times article and over 6,000 on the Telegraph - both increasing rapidly.

The game is up. The truth is out there and the public are on the side of women, safeguarding children (and JKR).

Yep. People who have said nothing on this topic so far are speaking up today. The genie is out of the bottle.

Karensalright · 01/04/2024 19:42

queenrowling · 01/04/2024 19:37

that's Scottish law, right? Not applicable in the UK? Or is it? Confused.

The law overreaches so if a publication is read in Scotland it is classed as a crime in Scotland so the Scottish police can ask that the English police wherever Justine lives go arrest her on their behalf. How it will work in reality is uknown.

Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2024 19:42

queenrowling · 01/04/2024 19:37

that's Scottish law, right? Not applicable in the UK? Or is it? Confused.

Under Scottish law every time something on the internet is read in Scotland it is published in Scotland, and therefore can fall under the new hate crime thingy!!

RebelliousCow · 01/04/2024 19:43

Fever pitch.

I guess this day is not the longed for new dawn that some had hoped for. Spring sunshine has a habit of throwing light onto all of the grubby corners and the full extent of the shabbiness goes on show for all to see.

IcakethereforeIam · 01/04/2024 19:45
potato GIF

This .gif? It's cute.

I've been in a Toby Carvery all day and I've not read the thread. Well, the first few posts and the last few.

Is it something to do with Andrew Tate?

LarkLane · 01/04/2024 19:47

*KimMumsnet · Today 19:08
Good evening, all.

Please can you refrain from getting personal when posting? We're getting a lot of reports about this thread and if it is too badly derailed we will need to remove it.

Thank you.*

Tropics4 · 01/04/2024 19:50

Transphobic, now this phrase does annoy me, I mean arachnophobic (sp?) yes I'm that because I have an irrational phobia of spiders - I actually shake and feel sick at the sight of one.
Transphobic, no, I just disagree with your views on what a woman is besides other things.
I will possibly swat and squash a spider, (sorry), but a transgender? they have nothing to fear from me except my not conforming to their view. Is that hate speech or actually a hate crime against women?
I think we all know the answer...

GenderlessVoid · 01/04/2024 19:51

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 01/04/2024 19:35

It took me more than 35 years to tell anyone about the relatively “mild” sexual abuse I experienced. What it must be like to experience abuse at the other end of the scale is unimaginable for anyone who hasn’t gone through it.

💐 I'm sorry that you're another survivor of sexual abuse. There are so many of us.

Karensalright · 01/04/2024 19:52

Am a bit surprised about the fact that the tories have not used s35 powers to stop this law in respect of overreach and having UK wide implications, considering they did block self ID

WickedSerious · 01/04/2024 19:53

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Waitwhat23 · 01/04/2024 19:54

JKR's latest tweet -

x.com/jk_rowling/status/1774867571080122858?s=20

The gall of the random man!

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