KJK’s insane rant

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Kjk’s decision to attack everyone who is not her lapdog is increasingly destructive. It looks like Can-sg put on a great conference. Those doctors who have spoken up have risked their careers. Kjk has become famous and has started a business from LWS. She has benefited way more than any of these doctors.

Her work could be powerful if she just stopped attacking everyone else. But these days she is a demagogue and causes more harm than good by capitalising on vulnerable and timid women and telling them that they need her to speak for them.

I'd like to resond to the post(s) about the difference between working for change within a profession on an issue some outside of the profession are campaigning about.

A parallel could be made about the availibility of single sex provision for women needing support because of male violence.

In terms of those working within what is refered to as the VAWG sector there is no doubt a range of views but for some of us outside of the sector it is a important issue we feel very strongly about. And within the sector there are those who seem to have willing chosen the trans inclusive policy. But again we dont know if all those who appear to be in groups that are trans inclusive whether they are saying it with free will or are as a result of pressure just silent.

We also dont know how many women's service providers are quietly getting on with offering single sex provision and are just not drawing public attention to it because of fear they will then be hounded by TRAs.

And sometimes on FWR posts can make it sound like all women working in this sector have sold out. (If you look at the number of names put forward by FPFW in the Telegraph article it was 5/6 which given the total number of VAWG project isn't even 10%.)

So I think what I am saying is there's a diffence between saying everyone working in VAWG is a sellout, and saying groups who reject women's right to single sex services are betraying other women. I haven't listened to KJK "rant" but is seems from PP that it was directed at a specific concern.

On a slight tangent but related, and NOT about anyone who has posted on here, there is also the huge issue that other threads have discussed that if as a woman you have managed to get a steady job, with enough income to feel fairly secure, but have no other resources, it is a huge decision to try and challenge from within a work environment, knowing that it could end up with you losing your job. (Whatever happened to the OP pushed to the edge by Ginny? )

But I also know that some women (no FWers I am sure!) openly say that because women are so financially disadvantaged in terms of work and housing security, it sort of gives them a free pass to take up jobs and happily push through policies, just to keep their job and ideally claw their way up the greasy poll of advancement, even at the expense of other women. And this can be as true about the women's sector as any other area of employment.

I don't, it was literally the third post on the thread I linked and I know she's a regular.
That's all.

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I often wonder about Ginny.

bloody awful situation

In the UK we do have a right to question the medical profession, especially if they are going to inform or be paid for by the NHS. We will pay for the service, and we have to pay any compensation in the future. We are either going to use these services or live alongside people who will.

We also have a right to use the language we want. If we have to use nice, professional language, lots of people will be removed from the discussion.

KJK is speaking for herself, and women can choose to agree with her or not. The idea that she has followers/fans/women who are taken in by her is madness. Its how TRA speak - they always want to take down a 'ringleader' in the hope that women stop caring or talking about the issues. But thats the wrong way of thinking, shes getting views on youtube because women are interested to hear what she is saying, they arent GC because of JKJ. If JKJ didnt exist, more women wouldnt embrace TRA, or a professional compromised stance, or whatever.

Theres lots of issues feminist would challenge health professionals on - abortion, surrogacy, birth, menopause, not just gender.

@AdamRyan are you honestly saying that "I found her quite fake and manufactured outrage" about KJK?

Did you miss the part where she has had her life threatened, had her children threatened and had her husband's business impacted all because she is standing up for the rights of women and children?

She's literally risking everything to make the world a safer place for women and children. She barely stops working. If you disagree with a particular point she's making, then by all means explain it here so we can all discuss it.

But to call her 'fake' demonstrates that you are either ignorant or deliberately ignoring the facts.

Thank you for the kind messages.

I just really wanted to highlight there are many women like me, who are not high profile but who are taking some professional risk & who are impacted by the infighting.

Kjk inspires me to be brave, but my bravery is going to look different to hers. I'm not going to be able to go all out and just upend the language and assumptions in institutions by holding the line.

My first post on this thread got so many thanks, more than I've ever had, mostly from posters I don't recognise. Which tells me there are many like me.
Unknown, but here for the inspiration to keep going and doing their bit, but who feel if we're not judged to be purist enough we might get turned on.

People say twitter is just a cess pit. But I put out some very controversial critical of my profession positions on there.
I get totally ignored by my colleagues and get all my support from mostly accounts with pseudonyms and GC bios.
That's fine. I feel like I'm getting a message out and getting support. But if those women turn on me too, because I'm not saying exactly what they want, then I'm totally alone.

I'm just putting this out for reflection.

Remember there are different roles people can play and we need to support each other.

In that particular video, not in general

Yes - we women are not supposed to get pissed off and vocal about it are we Adam? 🙄

There is no need for that. I've said nothing of the sort. I'm allowed to say she came across a bit OTT on that video. I think OP said the same.

You constantly needle, criticise and hector women here, you can’t be surprised when someone bites back.

Remember there are different roles people can play and we need to support each other.

Most definitely because it’s the message we should listen to, not the method of delivery.

DARVO much?
There is no need to be rude just because someone has a different opinion.

Could you please remind OP of that?

This entire thread starts with someone being rude about someone else who happens to have a different opinion…

Slightly different as KJK isn't posting and also put the video out for comments. It's like people posting about any other public figure.

100% agree with this. In fact I skip over this person's posts more often than not. The disingenuousness is nauseating and is nothing like MalagaNights' or the other reasoned critical posts.

It's obvious what is going on. Same same. It's quite boring and predictable. Which are two of the seven slightly annoying sins of Internets forumming

DARVO? You’re the “victim” here?

Yeah. I just post my opinions, you guys get enraged and start being rude to me. This thread being case in point. Plenty of other posters have said less than complimentary things about KJK, I'm the one getting rude responses.
I actually mainly take it as a compliment that obviously me posting is so threatening you have to try to get me off the board.

Ouch ;)

We don’t care if you’re here or not. Has it ever occurred to you that you get the response you do, however, because you are patronising and endlessly present half-arsed arguments which add nothing to the discourse beyond you lecturing the wims on why you think they’re wrong? Its oh so telling that you see yourself as the victim here.

And if you think you’re “threatening” to us then I have some magic beans to sell you.

2 pages of posts about me and it's because I'm tiresome. 👍

Yes, yes you are, but well done on only taking two pages to become self aware.

Can we expect less tiresome content now?