KJK’s insane rant

[Dontblameitonsunshine]

Kjk’s decision to attack everyone who is not her lapdog is increasingly destructive. It looks like Can-sg put on a great conference. Those doctors who have spoken up have risked their careers. Kjk has become famous and has started a business from LWS. She has benefited way more than any of these doctors.

Her work could be powerful if she just stopped attacking everyone else. But these days she is a demagogue and causes more harm than good by capitalising on vulnerable and timid women and telling them that they need her to speak for them.

Obviously I don't think I'm being tiresome! It probably depends if people ask me endless nit picking questions or not, and if they start claiming I'm lying/disingenous/bot/shill blah blah.

Being attacked like that would make anyone defensive and if people ask me a question I'm going to answer.

Why on earth would you consider it a compliment that women think you're threatening to them?

Feminist much.

Dream on.

So now KJK IS a public figure? So not an irrelevant hasbeen as OP painted her?

Anyone who posts an opinion online is opening themselves to criticism, that includes me and it includes you.

🤷‍♀️

I read all OPs posts and I don't think her point was KJK was an irrelevant has been

Obviously yes what anyone posts on here is open to criticism, my point was more KJK has made herself a "media personality" so there is more interest in what she says than what I say or any other Internet randomer says. OP is fully entitled to start a thread about KJKs video and that's not necessarily being rude.

If KJK was posting here and OP was calling her names that would be different.

And I'll say the same thing I said to Datun a while back. I don't want to argue with you. You've done amazing things for trans widows and I respect that.

Ah, it’s possible that all the crud re: YouTube views was one of the other serial KJK critics on the thread.
You’ve all morphed into one giant blob at this point.

(obvs Malaga, Tunnocks, Rebecca et al are not part of the The Blob)

If you're going to criticise what KJK says maybe actually criticise what she says rather than make snide insinuations about how she creates an income for herself and generates additional funding for other aspects of her activism.

See also criticising her looks and clothing which has also been raised as a "concern" in the past.

This - but I suspect that Adam's ego will not let them believe that this is the case.

Exactly right.

There is lots of thoughtful critique on this thread, largely from posters who work in medical related or adjacent fields. However the OP and several other posters are just using the same old anti KJK tropes (too angry, too blonde, too prone to upsetting people, too merch-y) that we’ve been through over and over, it’s boring, it’s not feminist and it actually detracts from the serious points that Malaga and others have made.

Hopefully we can have a fresh new thread where we actually discuss the conference material itself (patiently awaiting the uploads!) and after that we will be able to better decide if KJK has overreacted.

Personally I believe we need women like KJK to keep pushing the Overton window so that more measured criticism within pro fields looks increasingly reasonable (and anyone calling them transphobes looks like a fool) but I do accept that fear of criticism from both sides may keep other professionals from speaking out.

How can we find the best of both worlds without tone policing/free speech restrictions or creating a ‘piling on’ effect in either direction?

Or is the ‘piling on’ thing an unavoidable effect of the way the internet works?

The Morning Star today had a favourable view of the conference. It describes the conference I watched morningstaronline.co.uk/article/first-do-no-harm

Ta for the link 👍

What a great article. Poor Ritchie though. That's very sad :(

From the article:

He added: “I remember asking the original lead of the clinic ‘Isn’t what you are doing mad? Surely if left alone, these camp young boys will just grow up to be gay adults without a gender dysphoria?’ The response I got was ‘Would it be any less mad if they were to be gay’?”

I have a lot of time for Ritchie. He has a YouTube channel that has very few followers but the content is very good - lots of detrans people being very candid about the lasting effects of gender treatment.

https://www.youtube.com/@tullipr

Thanks, I'll check that out.

What the pro-KJK people are missing, yet again, is that this is another example of her narcissism, of how her main aim isn't to create change. She is a bad faith actor, using the movement to make money and feed her ego.

Why else would she attack a conference of medics with speakers like David Bell?

Probably, none of us would even know about any of this if it wasn't for the whistleblowers like David Bell putting their careers on the line.

She attacks it simply as they were getting attention that day and she wasn't. And that's not allowed.

Do you really think the way to make medics change their minds is by shouting at them? The TRAs tried that on the day, it didn't work did it?

Shining light on the evidence - and lack of it - is working. Keira Bell made huge change not be shouting into a microphone in a park, but by bringing her case to a court of law where GIDS' total lack of evidence and follow up was exposed.

KJK is a content creator who makes a living out of controversy. She fosters a cult like following with her "I never lose" nonsense and her taking down of anyone she sees as a threat, plus her constant, childish us-and-them rhetoric about others in the same movement.

She sees CAN SG as a threat as they got more attention that day, and because if she says something controversial about them she'll get more attention (meaning more money). Having been aware of her for many years, and getting to know her a little in real life, I really do think it boils down to something that simple. She operates on about the level of a playground bully. She's a classic mean girl, with her insults at the "swots" - those trying to use their brains to make a difference.

I watched the CAN SG live stream. It was excellent. It wasn't a campaign rally, it was a conference. This kind of event is not about holding the line, it's about discussion and sharing evidence, so the medical sector can make better decisions. It has huge potential for creating change, and everyone here should be incredibly suspicious of anyone who is working against it, even / especially your glorious leader.

I'll be watching her defamation case against Pesutto this week with interest. No thread on it that I could see

Looks like its been delayed to September
https://au.news.yahoo.com/defamation-cases-against-pesutto-heard-234227188.html

What the pro-KJK people are missing, yet again, is that this is another example of her narcissism, of how her main aim isn't to create change. She is a bad faith actor, using the movement to make money and feed her ego.

Why else would she attack a conference of medics with speakers like David Bell?

Perhaps you should read the excellent posts by @Helleofabore and @BonfireLady (amongst other pps) regarding how both approaches are needed?

Plus the conference would probably not have taken place without Kelly pushing back against no debate. Have you not noticed that her events are called LET WOMEN SPEAK? And she does, so not quite the narcissist you claim!

'What the pro-KJK people are missing, yet again, is that this is another example of her narcissism, of how her main aim isn't to create change. She is a bad faith actor, using the movement to make money and feed her ego.'

She is the person in the back of the van going 'we've been down this road before, we need to find a better way out of the woods'.

She attacks it simply as they were getting attention that day and she wasn't. And that's not allowed

😆

I'll be watching her defamation case against Pesutto this week with interest. No thread on it that I could see

There's no separate thread, but it has been mentioned on others. Not much has actually happened in it yet.

I see we have yet another personal attack. The positioning is the usual one focused on the person and not on what she was saying, while again trying to position people who take the time to try to consider the words and the intention as being incapable of rationality.

Positioning of people as 'followers' and 'fans' is just an example of polarised thinking. It really is more of that 'us and them' approach and very tribal because it makes the focus about personalities and not about sticking to the fact, or the point being raised. It is also somewhat irrelevant really. Even if the person making a valid point is the most horrible person in the world, does it make the point not worthy of consideration?

And yet, here we have another barrage.

I’m gonna go ahead and bet that this new commentator hasn’t bothered to RTFT.

So fucking tedious.

Still, nice of them to give KJK a little more attention!

I am gonna go ahead and add that they don't care.

The concept that people have to 'like' the person who has said something or even agree with mostly everything they say on a topic is tribal by nature. It really does remove the agency that others can read and make rational decisions based on the issue at hand.

But I additionally find that a group or person who is a medical clinician is supposed to not be questioned because 'on one's side' is disconcerting. If we cannot question medical clinicians about treatments going forward when we consider the past, we are in dire trouble.