KJK’s insane rant

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Kjk’s decision to attack everyone who is not her lapdog is increasingly destructive. It looks like Can-sg put on a great conference. Those doctors who have spoken up have risked their careers. Kjk has become famous and has started a business from LWS. She has benefited way more than any of these doctors.

Her work could be powerful if she just stopped attacking everyone else. But these days she is a demagogue and causes more harm than good by capitalising on vulnerable and timid women and telling them that they need her to speak for them.

Fair criticism (unlike OP who is busily force teaming KJK with Trump and calling everyone who disagrees ‘Lapdogs’ and pretending that millions of YouTube views = failing)

I’m looking forward to the conference videos being uploaded - really hoping that they have good sound quality!

(thinking back to some of the marvellous in-person events in 2017/2019 that we don’t have great documentation of, not for wont of trying, of course)

How can a word be ‘disallowed’ on the board whilst also being the title of your thread?

I hear what you are saying.

I agree the conference was held in good faith. I think it had great speakers. However, her point is worth considering when you think about it.

I also doubt that she is undermining the conference in any real degree. I think that gives her far too much power and I don’t think she has that much in reality. If she raises this one point, and people think about it while watching the conference, isn’t that a good thing. So people can think more deeply about it and assesses each speaker accordingly.

Or do you think that just by her raising the point undermines the speakers? I think she raises the same point some of the speakers have made, hasn’t she?

Could she have done it in less time than she did? Yes. Could she have targeted her words better? I think so, but that is just my opinion. The style works for other. I do think she should say it though.

And yet, in the thumbnail of the clip you posted it mentions very clearly ‘far right’. Or are you now admitting that you didn’t even look at what you linked up?

Oh dear. Can things look any worse for you? Abusive insults, no even having the intelligence to look at the links you post, and the inability to discuss what she said ….

People who are saying I don’t discuss the content of her video ; it’s the entire concept of the video that is misjudged. It was a serious conference that withstood serious attacks. Kjk should have had solidarity with them. Instead she went “insane” about one or two slides. She clearly hadn’t seen much else from the conference. She doesn’t know whether these slides were debated or what people said about them.
She says gender dysphoria is not a thing but doesn’t bother to explain what could be going on.
I know people are ascribing all sorts of weird motives as if I’m a TRA or something but I’m not. I thought this was a terrible video and reflects her increasing antagonism towards anyone who is not “holding the line” with her. She can’t understand that other people - doctors for example- are holding other lines and she should stop attacking them

I’ve genuinely no idea who Carl Benjamin is
Same, maybe if I really had been "sent" by the ever mysterious "them" I might know.

What did all the references to cheese mean?
I think it's the new cake recipes. 😁
Fill the board with cake recipes and talk of cake is the usual go to if someone says something people don't want to hear
Cheesy seems to be the new cake. Well, it could brie worse 😁

I think you overestimate your importance to KJK here. I doubt she'd even notice. She's been quite busy you know.

The cheese reference is from last year, when KJK was having a hard time in Australia and New Zealand. Lots of posters were supportive of her and she posted a picture of a baked Camembert, for our delectation.

I thought it was fine.

Ah right, Ok thanks for the Caerphilly explained post (genuinely)

And it took you how long and after reading how many posts to get that post together.

Have they described you as a TRA? I just thought you were someone who has an unreasonable prejudice against KJK and likes to abuse those who don’t hold your prejudiced viewpoint.

Do you think then she needs to be a nice quiet woman and pipe down and not get angry? Shhhhh, women need to be demure and silent. Tsk tsk on getting angry over medics still pushing puberty blockers on children!

“She says gender dysphoria is not a thing but doesn’t bother to explain what could be going on.”

Did you even fucking listen?

She made a few points about what could be driving gender dysphoria in the video YOU posted.

Amongst her other fine qualities, she is a racist. I know that won't make much difference to most of you, however, it might.

Our campaign team includes women of colour and we work with many other women from exploited and oppressed ethnic groups.
Challenging the racism within our society is one of our fundamental principles and we do not want to work with, or promote the work of, others whose analysis and rhetoric on this matter differs so profoundly from our own.

https://womansplaceuk.org/2022/06/22/womans-place-and-posie-parker/

no she doesn't @Helleofabore she tries to, but she completely fails. The doctors no doubt make a much better fist of it. She says it could be trauma but doesn't go any further. It's vacuous.
Also @Helleofabore (well named) it took me so long as I was derailed by the pretty "crazy" (is this word allowed?) points that were being made. All the accusations that I was saying x and y when i wasn't. I couldn't keep up.
Again and again people on this thread are telling me that I'm saying 'be kind' or 'be a nice woman' @YouJustDoYou but i haven't said that, not even once. I have said repeatedly she is strategically stupid and doesn't realise that other people with other jobs could make other points that need to be made and she is unhelpful by attcking them.

Activism and Medicine used to be two different beasts. You don't have to scrape too far down these days to find promoting an ideology that should be far, far away from medicine.

Why would someone against Gender Identity Ideology still be recommending Alex Drummond's book? Of all people, one that fucks up the minds of lesbian girls?

Honestly, none of this will change until medics get the activist agenda away from the medicine.

And again, all this conference does is carry on cementing the idea that 'Gender [dysphoria/incongruence/whatever today's term is]' should be medicalised.

You are defending the muslim rape gangs?

You started this thread. You kept launching abuse at KJK and at other posters. You could spend the time to do that, but not address the issues at hand.

I think you have no where to go now. You played your hand and we saw it for what it was. You abused first and now who the fuck should spend the time to discuss the issue with you.

I don't rate you any judge on Vacuousness, OP.

Category error? Medical transitioning can alleviate severe distress in some people, and if they are adults and willing to pay, why should we stop them? The conference was about evaluating the risk:benefit ratio in children.

( No need to bring into it the metaphysics of gender identity or the bad outcomes of giving someone a new legal sex(data integrity/free speech/derogated rights of women).)

KJK is all about the metaphysics and bad outcomes, but she's jumped straight to a conclusion she's not qualified to draw, that medically transitioning children harms them (true) for no benefit (up for debate). Because she doesn't believe in GD.

Now, I don't want to see anyone transitioning before the age of 25. Because if trans kids were always a thing, where were all the GD-induced teenage suicides before puberty blockers were invented? But I don't want NHS policy based on 'I reckon'. It's up to the medics to do some hard science and then establish the policy that does least harm. 🤞

Not this old shit again?

Just posting this in reply, AGAIN.

https://savageminds.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-the-near-murder-of-kellie

Funny to see you quoting terfs tho Dadjoke - are you finally starting to see things from a GC perspective? Or are you hate-reading Women’s Place and conveniently cherry picking from their output to support whatever narrative you have going at the time?

Same. I don’t follow her on SM but I can see she is good at being blunt, getting airtime and getting people talking.

Others may be more considered, or use legal routes

It’s all needed

You answered your own question about why she's never attacked a medical conference before. This was the first one purporting to oppose gender ideology and yet it left the door open to the medical transition of children.

That's why she's angry. Nothing makes her madder than the unnecessary sterilisation of children. Not surprisingly it makes most people pretty angry.

Nah, I'm just not interested in someone who makes a thread (on the feminist board) to attempt to pillory or insult a woman behind her back.

It's perfectly possible to make reasoned criticism of someone else's output without smearing, insulting, and maligning them.

If you're not able to do that without using personal, ableist insults and gross insinuations, then I can't help you.

@theilltemperedclavecinistshe's jumped straight to a conclusion she's not qualified to draw, that medically transitioning children harms them

I think this is important. She does make the point that you don't need a qualification to understand that there are two sexes. She makes the point that there is sophistry often in the arguments put forward by academics, therapists, teachers, and doctors. And she makes the point that just because people work as doctors they are not necessarily concerned with ethics and best outcomes. Looking at the various examples, at the detransitioners, at the US cosmetic surgeons, this needs saying. She is saying it as a lay person, an ordinary person. That is the point!!