An MSP (Murdo Fraser) threatening legal action against Police Scotland after his twitter/x post was logged as a hate incident

[StealthSpinach]

I couldn’t see another thread on this - just wondering if a male complaining about ‘hate incidents’ registered against him will produce a different result compared with all the female complaints that have been dismissed.

An MSP is threatening to take legal action against Police Scotland after a tweet he posted criticising the Scottish Government’s transgender policy was logged as a ‘hate incident’.
Veteran Conservative Murdo Fraser said the force had ‘behaved not just outrageously, but unlawfully’ after learning that his name appears in police files for expressing a political view.
A trans activist reported the post on X, formerly Twitter, to Police Scotland whose officers decided it did not amount to a crime but should be classed as a ‘hate incident’ which will remain on record – even though no law had been broken.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13233691/Scots-Torys-police-row-hate-tweet-claim.html

I have no doubt that MN towers will be hit very swiftly from April 1st by police demands for the personal data held on FWR posters.

Does MNHQ need to make an announcement? Does everyone need to delete an account and register again with (unmanageable) precautions?

Can NCHI be registered against overseas posters?

So many questions.

I wonder whether this law is a product of Scotland’s lack of a second chamber, which in Westminster helps formulate good law and weed out bad law where MPs have voted for something for political reasons or to virtue signal. I imagine MSPs were whipped to support this bill and didn’t trouble their tiny minds too much about the consequences of supporting it.

The lack of a 2nd chamber certainly doesn't help, maltravers.

Maybe we need a thread in site stuff?

Reading the information Arabella has kindly collated in detail on the other thread, my understanding is that Scotland's finest will be investigating any non crime wrongthink committed in any country, with extradition being discussed.

If it was read in Scotland, then yes, it's considered as having been published in Scotland.

I'm apprehensive that this may finally be the end of the road for FWR. There's got to be a limit to Justine's budget for this. Not just FWR but also parts of AIBU.

MNHQ might have to take on extra staff just to deal with vexatious complaints and police enquiries. I'm so ignorant I don't even know if the Scots system would be the one issuing warrants to be executed here if it that admin burden will be offloaded here as an act of reciprocity.

What happens if, say, your facebook account is hacked and hateful stuff published in your name, then you are reported anonymously?

The Daily Mail article quote a police spokesman as saying:

"The incident was recorded as a non-crime hate incident. Hate incidents are not recorded against alleged perpetrators."

In other words, hate incidents are not recorded against alleged perpetrators but their names appear in the files for the complainant.

So would it show up in a PVG?

Well it’s working isn’t it. Women are already expressing concerns about possible legal repercussions from discussing their (legally held) GC views on an anonymous forum.

Yes. Chilling effect. You would not know if you'd had a NHCI filed against you, and yes, it may come up on a DBS check and affect you at an interview.

Because a dysfunctional male objected to you stating reality or wanting rights. We see them daily on FWR.

I think it depends on police judgment whether its recorded against the alleged perpetrator?

Certainly SV Phillimore had one recorded against her, without her knowledge.

How would their names appear if their names are not recorded alongside the incident? For them to appear in a file they must be recorded.

It's (almost) beyond belief.
People should be shouting from the rooftops (but are perhaps afraid to?).
THANK YOU for this thread.

I expect many will withdraw from public life. I can't be the only one who's considering shutting down all social media. Why take the risk?

You would not know if you'd had a NHCI filed against you
Isn't the solution for every woman in Scotland to ask for a Subject Access Request, on a frequent basis? Play them at their own game.

And they wonder why we have anonymous Twitter accounts.

Because a dysfunctional male objected to you stating reality or wanting rights. We see them daily on FWR.

We also see other posters (not male) announcing that they're reporting someone on threads or are considering reporting other posters. I shouldn't think it would take much to convert those posters into Hate Monster Allies/Champions. Is there a name for the civic branch of this? Stonewall Purity Police Monitors?

Can you explain how I can use the archive method / site to read it please?

The Stasi I think.

@medianewbie you open the link, copy the extended web address in the browser address line and paste that into archive.ph
I hope that helps.

If these NCHIs do appear on a PVG then won't the PVG people (disclosure Scotland, is it?) have to update any volunteer organisations they're involved with.
So, women could suddenly be not welcome to run/help out at the Brownie troop, athletics club, swimming club etc?
Considering women are the backbone of a lot of kids activities this could decimate them.

Thank you that's very helpful indeed!

And I wouldn’t underestimate how angry they are. We see it daily in the aggression and threats

This gives yet more legal basis to attack women

On Mnhq in pp, maybe they could clarify. They are not based in Scotland but I’m not sure how it would work for posts

It has been shown time and again, that the FWR users think things through to effects down the line, when paid government advisers, politicians, police, large organisations, funding organisations etc etc etc fail to even think to the end of the sentence.

Because they DON'T FUCKING CARE.

That's the point of all of this.

When the new law comes into force on April 1st we wont be told if an allegation has been made against us but it stays on our record, so we will all need to make regular subject access requests. Which could (sadly) be a bit of a bureaucratic burden on the police.

As was pointed out at the Alloa Women's Festival on Saturday.