If you're a man, whatever you feel is what it feels like to be a man

[literalviolence]

No? Everything else is a logical fallacy. So there's no such thing as a man 'feeling like a woman' - they are in fact feeling like a man. There's no need for all men to feel the same.

Exactly. In the words of Dr Julia Long (I think), if a person has a penis he’s a man. That’s all there is to it, and whether he’s altered or removed it is irrelevant.

Hang on, are you telling me there is no 'womanly essence' that makes a biological male in fact a woman?

They feel like a man who mistakenly believes he knows what it’s like to feel like a woman?

At best I suppose a man who feels like a woman is in fact a man who think he feels like a woman. But he is still and will always be a man.

I'm really sorry, but we need a little chat about the Easter Bunny too. You may need wine.

I find the whole thing bewildering. The only thing I've ever felt like is myself as a person - there's no "gender" involved.

I've experienced the physical effects of being in a female body, eg. giving birth but, like stubbing my toe or having toothache or eating candy floss, it was just a sensation - it didn't make me feel "female".

I can understand disliking your appearance - I've got short fat legs and if I could have an operation to turn them into long slender ones I'd seriously consider it 😁. And as I age I look into the mirror and think "That's not me. That's my mother... "

So I think that men who want to be women are interpreting dislike of their physical appearance as some metaphysical mistake when they were born. No harm in changing your appearance, but don't expect others to treat you as the person you are mimicing, any more than a woman of my age would be treated by you as a genuine 18 year old if I had extensive cosmetic surgery.

Exactly. This is what I first thought when I heard about "born in the wrong body" many years ago, and it's why I've never bought into the ideology, though I saw it as mostly harmless at first.

Of course you are correct, OP. 'Woman' is not a feeling.

Time for those who believe in the fallacy to accept that the 'male experience' is not universal and just because they don't fit into a male stereotype, that doesn't mean that they are a woman or non-man which is what we appear to be now.

I just don't understand how a man knows what it feels like to be a woman. At best, he feels like his interpretation of a woman, which could be completely incorrect (you've just got to listen to the song Dylan Mulvaney has just released!)

Why can't they just be a feminine man? I don't have a problem with that. It's the whole sports, changing rooms, compelled speech etc etc.

I'm not including men who parade their fetishism in public though. I don't need to see any grown men babies thank you very much!

Heh. You'll get people tell you that you can't even imagine the pain of being
in the wrong-sex body because you're in the right-sex body.

I've even seen people ask, how would you feel if (horror of horrors!) you woke
up tomorrow in a male body? Wouldn't you feel all wrong and terrible?

Actually no. If someone offered me the chance to wake up tomorrow in an average-ish mid-20s male body rather than my current average-ish mid-60s female one I'd bite their arm off. And even if it wasn't perfect I'm sure I'd learn to adapt to any weird maleness same as I learned to adapt to a female body.

Well quite. I think I’d probably just get on with it, though it might be fascinating to have (probably, depending on the male body in question) a much higher sex drive and more confidence, which I believe are common effects of testosterone.

Equally, to the occasional transactivists who suggest that if I was offered a million dollars to transition, I still wouldn’t. It’s absolute nonsense. Admittedly if I still wanted to have a family, I probably wouldn’t, but as a menopausal woman who already has deteriorating health and a long time until pension age, I would almost certainly just go for it.

My guess is that the intensity of those feelings of revulsion some men who want to transition feel for actual women gives them quite a skewed idea about how most people feel about their sexed body.

I just don't understand how a man knows what it feels like to be a woman. At best, he feels like his interpretation of a woman, which could be completely incorrect (you've just got to listen to the song Dylan Mulvaney has just released!)

I've listened to it once and I am never ever listening to it again.

if I was offered a million dollars to transition, I still wouldn’t.

A million dollars to do what to my health? I was talking about just waking up with an opposite sex body (by magic!), they're talking about a fuckton of drugs and surgery to get an unhealthy body that doesn't work properly as either sex.

That's not worth a million dollars.

Obviously we all just have Shania Twain's "Man, I feel like a woman!" on a loop in our heads at all times, duh. That's what being a woman is all about.

If I was offered a million dollars to say "I'm a man" and change nothing about myself at all except pronouns I might do it. Because that's exactly the kind of "transitions" many of the "trans community" undergo.

Look at Jamie Wallis, the "first trans MP". (Oh how much that must sting the likes of Izzard and Belcher).

Feeling like a woman is very different from being one.

I mean, as a woman with a vagina, I am disadvantaged socially, legally and financially. Being a woman is as complex as being a man, I think. I have no idea what it's like to be a man. I do tend to rely on some stereotypes though. But is that what AGPs rely on when pretending to be women?

But anyway, apart from the obvious inequalites between the sexes, aren't we all just trying to get on in life & make the best of things?

Yep, that's correct, OP. A man can't experience what it's like to be a woman. He can try to imagine.

Thanks OP. I am very much interested in seeing a man explain all this to us. I will wait patiently... and yes .... I have wine!

Being a transwoman is a male behaviour.

Last interview with Jamie:

'“We now live in a country where there is greater clarity on the movement of a packet of beef around the UK than there is for a trans person with a GRC. This situation risks exposing all of us as ridiculous”'

😬

Oh dear

I do tend to rely on some stereotypes though. But is that what AGPs rely on when pretending to be women?

They say they don't but they can never quite explain what defines a woman. It's definitely not sex stereotypes or biological sex though, no sirree.

Of course it's ludicrous, OP.

Not only not can a man not feel like a woman, he is only going to ever feel like a 'woman' with a penis!

Or a woman who had a penis and then had it removed. An experience that no woman has ever had.

I don't think I've ever yet seen a description of exactly how a man feels like a woman.

One of those American interviewers asked a male student how he knows he's a woman. And the student said because my transwomen friends tell me.

One man telling another man that he's not a man 😃

I've been a man on Facebook almost since the start. Messes with their advertising algorithms.