Keir Starmer unable to define a woman AGAIN

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Suspect that the Sun doesn't care that much about women's rights, and are only trying to score points against Starmer. But his reply (if accurately reported is so avoiding in any way accepting women as biological females. And this will be our next PM.

Reading out questions of Sun readers, Political Editor Harry Cole asked the Labour chief if he still believed men can have cervixes and women can have testicles.

Asked again about his position on trans women and whether they can be defined as women, Sir Keir said: "We set out our position very clearly..."

He added: "Everybody knows there is a difference between sex and gender. I absolutely understand that and respect that. We will not be going down the road of self identification."

He went on:"As you well know the overwhelming majority of women, it's a biological issue...

"There's a small number of people in this country who are born into a gender they don't identify with and they often go through pretty hellish abuse.

"I think most people would say if we can find a way to be respectful to all the women we must properly respect and we have defended their rights and advanced their rights as a party, as a movement for many, many years and we will continue to do so, then fine.

"But we won't and I don't think we should simply abuse ignore, make fun or mock..."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26845883/keir-starmer-transgender-women-define-is/

I must be thick. I need politicians to explain to me how a man needs a female birth certificate to avoid being discriminated against.

The people with mutiple personalities in the 1980s all managed perfectly well without multiple passports.

The original benefit 2004 was to enable otherwise same sex marriage before this was legal ( even though this was not possible at the time for a non-trans but gay person).

The benefit to be free from discrimination was made possible by The Equality Act/Gender Reassignment 2014.

A GRC is no longer be necessary. It sets up an egregious lie about a fundamental
fact of life and is ridiculous.

@AdamRyan Accepting some men "need" to transition is effectively accepting some men have "minds that are a bit more like women than other men".

That is incredibly sexist and demeaning, and we should not accept it.

Eastern 🤣

Thick as fucking mince.

what actual discrimination does a grc stop? excluding males from female spaces is not discrimination.

He's still following the Stonewall script verbatim. He's not in his words as he says them - they're utterly scripted. Whenever such a question comes up he goes weird; loses his flow.......and so comes across as totally insincere.

Why he is still tolerating this shit? Who has got what on him?

Free from " discrimination" meaning that people are not allowed to vocalise the truth of their eyes; women are not to be bothered or complain if there is a man naked in their changing room; not to bat an eye-lid if a man takes up a position reserved for a woman; that people are compelled to pretend they think this person is an actual woman?

A GRC creates a legal fiction - in which everyone is compelled to believe.

Grc's enable discrimination against women. their very existence shows how misogynistic society is.

I totally understand there is a large minority on this board that think it is unacceptable for a man to be recognised in the identity of a woman (e.g. as a trans woman).

Unfortunately the majority in society don't agree with you and think that some men with gender dysphoria should be able to identify as women. That's also what the law says. No political parties are planning to get rid of the GRC or treat trans people any differently (apart from Reform and SDP).

Shouting at people a different view, claiming the public "don't understand" and that trans rights are supported because of "capture" just means you are talking to an echo chamber.

Unfortunately the majority in society don't agree with you and think that some men with gender dysphoria should be able to identify as women.

Really? Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

"Large minority"

That's funny.

Unfortunately the majority in society don't agree with you and think that some men with gender dysphoria should be able to identify as women

I too would like rock solid evidence of this claim.

A majority of Britons believe that people should be able to change the gender they socially identify as, with 55% saying “people should be able to identify as being of a different gender to the one they had recorded at birth”. Fewer than half as many (25%) take the opposing view, with 20% unsure.
However, when it comes to the matter of being allowed to legally change their gender status, the public is divided. Four in ten (40%) say the law should allow people to change their legal gender, while 37% say it should not. The remaining 23% are unsure
https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1

Anyone can identify as a woman but I don't have to believe any male people are women. Because if we say men with gender dysphoria are treated legally as women in all circumstances, then we have to accept the worst violent sex offenders are women if they say they are.

Shouting at people a different view, claiming the public "don't understand" and that trans rights are supported because of "capture" just means you are talking to an echo chamber.

People stating an opinion which you disagree with is not 'shouting'.

I think it's quite clear that many people don't understand this issue. Many people think that a 'transwoman' is a woman who wants to be a man. Many people think that most men who want to be women have their penis amputated, when the truth is that it's a very small minority who do. Many people don't realise that some men identify as trans because of a fetish. Many people don't realise that a man with a penis can get a birth certificate which says he's female. There are a lot of misunderstandings about this.

It's also quite evident that many organisations have been captured by trans ideology because of Stonewall's influence.

Maybe you should read this thread.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Did you actually read what you just posted?

Four in ten (40%) say the law should allow people to change their legal gender, while 37% say it should not. The remaining 23% are unsure

40% is not a majority.

Unfortunately the majority in society don't agree with you and think that some men with gender dysphoria should be able to identify as women.

What are you basing this on? What’s your evidence?

The anecdotal evidence I pick up does not back this up at all. Hardly anyone in my circle agrees with trans ideology and it is seen as an absolute nonsense at best and dangerous at worst.

When many people still think a transwoman is a biological female, the claim 'they don't understand' would appear to be entirely accurate.

As OldCrone says, let's see who supports what when they have all the facts.

2022 - Before Isla Bryson and Scarlett Blake

It would be interesting to revisit

Did you actually read what you just posted?
Did you notice the sub-heading: "there has been an erosion in support for trans rights since 2018"
I wonder how much more erosion there has been since the 2022 survey, since recent sunlight.

And yet, when tested by asking about males with penises being in female single sex spaces, the majority say no. And with regards to female sports.

I would suggest you are perhaps placing too much weight on an unqualified question that doesn’t reflect support for the reality when that is stated.

The pp cannot claim much given the year of the poll and how much public opinion is impacted by events

Exactly

Ha! I was quite prolific on the board then, but had a break for a while due to divorce. Just had a scroll back through that and the old blustocking threads - the difference in the tone of debates is marked. Very little about politicians and "capture", quite a lot about feminism.

I miss so many posters. Bertrand Russell. ArranFan. Freshwater Selkie. HairyBallTheorem and her fan fic. Even LassWi'TheDelicateAir (not seen her for ages). Good times. Thanks for the memories.