Jon Ronson and Adam Buxton

[WarriorN]

I'm astounded at this "bonus episode" of "and things fell apart."

Absolutely everything Glinner has said has been proven.

This is a twitter link, I imagine it's on bbc sounds

x.com/glinner/status/1769152705333699000?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Is there something wrong with people commenting on here?

If we didn't comment on here, how would we know about all these things that people are doing?

Do you think it would be better if we didn't discuss this?

I think Adam is gently chastising me for using the word "shrill". I'm not sure why it's misogynistic in this context, but Adam is vv nuanced so likely knows best.

I don’t know the guy but I’m right that he’s male?

I’m not sure it’s that bad?

Collectively women are getting somewhere, although it’s not easy

What are you suggesting women do? What do you do? Besides commenting here on this thread

I'm not sure why you are conflating two posts, so I'll just reply to the bit about what I said
I might affect surprise that you're offering an assertion as a viable generalisation.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/cancel

to completely reject and stop supporting someone, especially because they have said something that offends you.

Posters are doing this to Ronson et Al. whilst simultaneously complaining that Ronson has done it to Linehan.

Aggressive much? I didn't realise I had to suggest something to "rally the troops".

wanders off to find her non aggressive thinking cap

I do find it kind of both sad and hilarious that these privileged elite men decry GL's principled protests as 'narcissism'.

Since when was defending the rights of the vulnerable 'narcissism'? Does that mean that the suffragists were narcissists too? Rosa Parks? MLK? [Not saying GL is like these figures or on their level but YKWIM I hope).

The fact that Buxton and Ronson automatically assume thet people only take on a difficult public role out of narcissism, rather than our of principle, tells us a great deal about their faded and fragile moral compass.

What are you doing?

Applying stereotypical misogynist language to men is damaging in two ways: 1) it is used as a way to undermine that man's position by implying he is feminine and therefore can't be taken seriously, because women are not to be taken seriously and 2) describing his bad behaviour using female stereotypes further embeds those stereotypes as unacceptable behaviour, normalising their use and therefore making it acceptable to continue to use them against women ("shrill", "hysterical", "oversensitive", "strident", "nagging" would all be examples).

Misogynistic language doesn't need to just be applied to women to be damaging.

used to describe a way of arguing or criticizing that seems too forceful:

He launched a shrill attack on the prime minister.

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/shrill

Words have meaning based on context as you demonstrated in your previous comment.

I suppose out of all the violence, threats and abuse that fills the internet aimed at women one has to pick something..

Not conflating, quoting from 2 because this forum software doesn't permit truncated quotations nor stacking responses. True, I often preface with the user's name as well but I'd considered you competent to recognise your own words (and I was correct in that).

I know you've previously reported that you tend to find it difficult to engage family and friends on this topic and beyond that and you find yourself at some odds with other MN posters. (You'd reported more posters in one thread than most people had in a year, none of which were approved for deletion by MNHQ, iirc (I might not).)

I invite you to quantify the number/proportion of GC people and to elaborate whether you're generalising from this thread or more widely. That might make it easier to engage with you on this matter if posters are interested in exploring the topic.

What do you think we're doing to Ronson? We don't know him. All we're doing is discussing him, and people on twitter might be trying to have a discussion with him.

In this article GL says he has had a 20-year friendship with JR.

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/so-what-if-youve-been-publically

GL has been impacted by people he knows and who he's worked with turning against him. I don't see how that is comparable to a bunch of people who have never met any of them discussing what's going on.

Don’t be so fucking ridiculous

I really don’t think you’re the only one writing to people

I did too last week actually

Fine all good, I still want to talk about it on mn, you don’t have to if it’s not working for you

Not at all but your shouting is making me laugh a bit

Yes I and I’m sure others too are doing both don’t worry

What makes you think other people aren't doing this as well as posting on here? There are loads of threads where people discuss doing exactly these sort of things.

Discussing on here what we can do is an important part of this. It gives other people an idea of what action they can take.

If you can do both, so can the rest of us. But if you prefer to just quietly get on with your own letter writing without discussing it on here, that's fine too. I personally think it's a good idea to discuss it on here as well, as it makes the action more public and helps people to feel that they're not alone as well as encouraging others to do the same.

It's a class thing. GL is too loud, too unkempt, too vernacular in speech, too Irish, too working/lower middle class.

Agree Cant and said similar yesterday. Much easier to 'other' him as they throw him out and under the bus. I wonder if they have any idea how bloody awful they sound.

Yes completely - thats exactly what I am saying - that just commenting - isn't enough! You need TO DO SOMETHING - start here, end up on a street corner with a banner

I said you need to do AS WELL not INSTEAD ffs.

You’re suggesting exactly FA so don’t sit there like you’re in some admirable position. What are you doing exactly?

Anyone else noticing the YOU instead of the WE? Or even the angry and demanding tone? Or it could just be me being overly sensitive 🤔

I agree with you

It's ridiculous to point out how misogynistic language is used on a feminist forum?