Jon Ronson and Adam Buxton

[WarriorN]

I'm astounded at this "bonus episode" of "and things fell apart."

Absolutely everything Glinner has said has been proven.

This is a twitter link, I imagine it's on bbc sounds

x.com/glinner/status/1769152705333699000?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Tried that with Richard Herring. I just made a valid point about his promotion of Jordan Gray (no shouting involved). He blocked me. Wanker.

I read that as ‘red herring’. And maybe that is fitting?

I've not RTWT but have just emailed Adam Buxton's agent with a message saying he's a coward for not having Glinner on his show. Unsurprised to see the same agent also represents Eddie Izzard and Nish Kumar (but also Richard Iowade so there is hope...)

It was Andrew Gold who Ronson called, he even asked for his blurb on Gold's book to be removed because Gold interviewed Graham (according to GL).

That’s interesting, I know Gold has said that his early inspirations to get into broadcasting were Ronson and Theroux.
I wonder Gold is now having that ‘people I looked up to aren’t who I hoped they were’ experience? Because while Gold sometimes seems a little behind the times on his choice of interviewees (all the GC ones have done multiple podcasts previously) he’s definitely gone purposefully into the danger zone, whereas Theroux and Ronson have cautiously skirted around the entrance for years.

AB isn’t on Twitter. Unfortunately a footballer with the same name has come in for a lot of very indignant comments over the last few days.

Shouting at people on Twitter does nothing. They can just block you.

Talking to people in real life would be a better option.

Twitter? Is that the best you can suggest? The place where with one click you are blocked, or maybe their fans report you so you get banned? Nice try 😂

Nish Kumar is particularly shrill when commenting on how TWAW and anyone who says otherwise is beastly.

I just read the JKR article on another thread, the sheer amount of abuse is incredible including on Twitter

Posters might lob in the odd personal line or gif 🤔 here but I’m aware it’s nothing to what some women stand up to

It’s next level abuse and threat

People are allowed their own opinions, and its not "shrill" to voice them.

Honestly am regularly surprised at how the tables have turned and GC people are now using exactly the same tactics the TRAs use to shame and shut us up.

You can disagree with Kumar, Ronson etc without using insulting and misogynistic language to do so.

I thought Ronson covered trans issues very sensitively in both his series and particularly liked the last episode of s2 (Mikki Willis and his "heroes journey"). I've also enjoyed listening to his conversation about how he chose what topics to cover and what he was trying to do.

Really surprised GC people are now resorting to "cancelling".

Sarah Pedersen might disagree with you (author of books and papers about Mumsnet, many threads here).

If we're achieving nothing, why is MN occasionally mentioned in media and sometimes styled as the answer?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4512657-The-answer-Is-Mumsnet-I-believe?

MN posters have spun out to form several useful organisations: Let Toys Be Toys; Make Space for Girls etc.

Funding tribunals, publicising on-going actions, sign-posting other posters to resources…Posting advice as to what we should do ahead of being visited by the Rozzers…

I write the above as someone who is deeply pessimistic as to the timescale for unpicking all this. But, without MN, so many of us wouldn't be able to come together, exchanges ideas, and talk.

Yes it does actually matter to have mn

It’s why it gets some going and they threaten and hurl abuse

I think we should leave AB and JR to crack on and tank their reputations.

I cant see how JR can come out of this claiming he's an independent journalist? All it does it make me doubt how well researched any of other work is. And i dont understand how AB being forced to interview glinner helps the cause?

Really surprised GC people are now resorting to "cancelling".

I might affect surprise that you're offering an assertion as a viable generalisation.

Because those are literally examples where people did something OTHER THAN COMMENTING

I wonder if you missed that those actions were prefaced by talking on MN, finding like minds, establishing relationships, and agreeing next steps. I don't recall any of those happening by fiat or otherwise.

Yes but women learn and some act, actually talking on here builds knowledge and does have an impact

I have always said I learnt from FWR and I’d say I noticed it a while after other women were speaking up

I was struck by the strong reasoning and clarity

What ‘misogynistic language’ would that be then?

It's a class thing. GL is too loud, too unkempt, too vernacular in speech, too Irish, too working/lower middle class.

The posh 'male feminists' (eurgghh) who speak of him with disgust-tinged pity do so because they want to keep their place in the elites club and are terrified of falling foul of woke warriors.

They lose, because GL is a one in a generation comedic talent who wrote a show that has entered the cultural lexicon in the great British & Irish comic traditions.

He's also honest, brave and intellectually courageous enough to speak out about an era-defining attack on women.

Nish Kumar, by contrast, hasn't, isn't and won't.

Oh my god I love this and have saved it to my desktop for future use! Thank you!!