Jon Ronson and Adam Buxton

[WarriorN]

I'm astounded at this "bonus episode" of "and things fell apart."

Absolutely everything Glinner has said has been proven.

This is a twitter link, I imagine it's on bbc sounds

x.com/glinner/status/1769152705333699000?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

I used to listen to Adam Buxton's podcasts before they descended into a weird over privileged self pity. Ronson really decided to opt for money over principle: he is intelligent enough to realise the stakes involved. They really could have called all this out (and the fact that Glinner has must embarrass them). They chose to sell out women and children.

Don't put a tooth in it - tell us what you really think of him 😂

I think we were always going to get to the point where accusations of "but you went too far" or "but its the way you said it" would become the recourse of those who either refused to engage or took the wrong turn.

It's a form of tone policing.

I think you really would enjoy his book @Dostadning . The first part was so funny and interesting. His early career as a would be rock journalist in Dublin , trying to spot the next U2 etc. And a master class in how to write good comedy - and how not to. Some interesting stuff on Fr Ted I didn't know before

Part 2 was a lot sadder of course. And I thought I knew it all anyway. But I had forgotten some of the dramatis personae. They are indeed boring and forgettable as well as vindictive. A good read all round.

I quoted this before after Glinner's interview with Triggernometry.

[Kierkegaard's] contribution to ethics was to reveal our ethical evasions, that is, the ways in which we pull the wool over our own eyes by talking ourselves out of inconvenient moral truths. In a note to himself, Kierkegaard scribbles:
"Aesthetically … admiration is the highest … Then along comes the ethical and says: as a matter of fact, wanting to imitate is decisive; admiration has no place or is an evasion."

Admiration that does not lead to action is one of the moral off-ramps Kierkegaard tries to dissuade us from taking…Writing under the pseudonym Johannes Climacus, Kierkegaard drew an equivalence between the universal and the ethical, and in so doing hammered out an important distinction:
"That one person can swim the channel, and a second person knows 24 languages, and a third person walks on his hands etc – one can admire that si placet [if you please]. But if the person presented is supposed to be great with regard to the universal because of his virtue, his faith, his nobility, his faithfulness, his perseverance, etc, then admiration is a deceptive relation …"

What is great with regard to the universal must therefore not be presented as an object for admiration, but as a requirement. Admiration for Kierkegaard is a carpet path to the easy chair. He reminds us: ‘there is an infinite difference between an admirer and an imitator, because an imitator is, or at least strives to be what he admires.’

psyche.co/ideas/why-kierkegaard-believed-its-lazy-to-admire-our-moral-heroes

As before, this podcast makes me think of Glinner and what this self-knowledge has cost him. I recognise the admirer | imitator split in my life. I'm an imitator in some roles in my life and admirer in others. I'm not at ease with myself but that's my compromise.

Sad about the callous oblique mention of Glinner as I generally like AB’s podcast and have been a listener since the beginning. I have fond memories of listening to him and Joe Cornish pratting about on BBC6 on weekend mornings years ago.

I will contact AB via his website and ask if he would consider doing an equivalent of the awkward Ruby Wax and Louis Theroux apology podcast. Assuming that Glinner would be in the same room after all that happened.

Ronson has long been a twat

https://twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1135604790472450049

think these two (and a shed load of others) dont seem to have realised the tide has turned. This year is, I think, when the turning point really kicks in and then the koolaid gang will have a descision to make-keep schtum and pretend it wasn't you (difficult what with receipts, and that) or double down on the loony tunes. Either way, this year won't be dull.

Buxton talked with frank skinner about terfs in 2019, and with others (maybe richard herring?) He seemed to be sounded people out and going with the consensus.

But this is now a spat involving 3 men and their egos. Neither Buxton or ronson understand or care about safeguarding and womens rights. Its all about reassuring themselves that they are not idiots.

Ronson is based in america, isnt he? He probably isnt as up to speed as he should be about whats going on here.

So AB's excuse, if he needs one, will be "I listened to all the people I trust* and everyone agreed that Terfs were evil witches except Linehan and I couldn't hear what he was going on about because of the terrible static caused by lack of nuance".

*male comedians.

Thanks, still none the wiser! 😂

Yes. There was a time I was looking forward to offering golden bridges. Somehow I look back and they all seem to be on fire, though.

I've got more petrol if you're running out, Arabella.

That’s ok, it’s been almost 30 years since it was on telly! I liked the toy animations but Adam Buxton can get fucked if he thinks Glinner’s response to finding out the NHS was sterilising gay and autistic kids wasn’t reasonable.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rOJTG67K9kI

AB has a hugely successful podcast
I actually quite like him

They are both fucking complete cowards

Like Louis Theroux the people they interview are mostly captured, so I guess they don't want to give that up as it's pretty lucrative

I can't STAND JR.

This 💯

I’ve always got the impression that Buxton feels overshadowed compared to his friends Theroux and Joe forgotten-his-surname. It’s made me think he ingratiates himself with them a bit - I find his podcasts that he does with them cringey. If he does feel insecure, no excuse, but even less likely he’d take a line on this which was different to his mates. What a great big coward he is though. I’ve always thought Jon Ronson was a dick, so no real surprise there. Happen to think Louis Theroux is massively overrated as well. Glad to get that off my chest! I look forward to hearing what they do or say when it becomes more and more obvious they’ve taken the ‘wrong’ side here …

Is it me or is this the second one from this thread that's no longer there?

That's weird. The one from earlier in the thread was definitely there this afternoon.

This is just perfect as an insult, nothing more is needed.

When you are too forceful in your arguments, you cause your opponent to become more entrenched.

The Trans Rights crew seem pretty forcefull to me .

No discussion because suicide
No questions because Suicide
No debate because Suicide.

Meantime they changed the foundation of biological classification in most western countires.

They took over all things female/woman.

They did not get that by pussy footing around.

Poor Glinner - he was alone in the ring with Mike Tyson - no-one else helped women out.

So this statement-
I see Graham Linehan's behaviour as having been detrimental to starting a real challenge to the male trans rights activism. The issue needs nuance and care to start a challenge.
I find really objectional. Yes he got heated. But no - he was not detrimental to anything.

Was searching for a ghost story last night and Jon Ronson kept popping up - the algorithm has me figured out perhaps. Eventually I clicked on an interview on something called Reality TV. All about how we lost the plot over Covid , social distancing , vaccination etc.

The comments were all gushing and positive. Albeit mostly from the USA. Well I was searching for a ghost story but I suppose you might class this as horror.

So I’ve just read this whole thread confusing Adam Buxton with Adam Fleming, who does the Anti social programme. But he’s another TWAW, so potato, pot-ah-to. 🤷‍♀️

yesmen - The Trans Rights crew seem pretty forcefull to me .
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Meantime they changed the foundation of biological classification in most western countires.

They took over all things female/woman.

Well-made point. Helen Joyce sometimes comments that women making a point are accustomed to it only being heard when a man says it: she ascribes this to "women's squeaky voices that are too high for me to hear". 😀

This may be an instance when the only squeaky voices that are heard are when they're men's squeaky voices (whether they're squeaking for reasons of identity or outrage at women saying, "No".