JKR vs Police Scotland?

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Tras are trying to get JKR arrested.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/trans-activists-scottish-police-arrest-jk-rowling-crime/

https://archive.ph/5TEU4 highland fling yourself over the paywall, cos Scottish!

Thought to give IW a break.

The Hate Crime...crime(?) comes into force on 1st April, according to the article. The SNP has not engaged with any of the organisations who have expressed concerns and no-one knows what, if any, training the Police have been given.

Ooh, they can break your door down to check for 'stirring up hatred' evidence.

Fab.

'Powers of entry etc. with warrant
(1) A sheriff or justice of the peace may grant a warrant under this section authorising a constable to enter premises if the sheriff or justice of the peace is satisfied, by evidence
on oath, that there are reasonable grounds for suspecting—
(a) that an offence under section 3 has been, or is being, committed at the premises,
or
(b) that there is evidence at the premises of the commission of an offence under
section 3.'

Well. If that person can claim to have a 'protected characteristic'.

Are these the same "protected characteristics" as in the EA2010?

If so, isn't "sex" one of them?

No. Sex is specifically and explicitly excluded.

'A warrant granted under this section may authorise a constable to—
(a) enter the premises by force if necessary,
(b) search the premises and any person found in the premises,20
(c) seize and detain any material found on the premises, or on any person in the
premises, if the constable has reasonable grounds for suspecting that it may
provide evidence of the commission of an offence under section 3.'

Edited for copy/paste fail.

Not looking at them is DEFINITELY hate & you’ll be accused of doing all sorts under the bag.

Better start a religion that requires the wearing of said bag & then their report is a hate crime - see ScotGov^, this is how you think ahead…

^some fecker is clearly lurking on MN 🤷‍♀️

Are you being sarcastic? (I find it difficult sometimes knowing when someone is joking or when it's real - things seem so far fetched either way nowadays!)

But also in Scotland police Scotland have stopped investigating a lot of low level crime due to lack of resources

how the heck are they going to manage with the hate crime of someone looking at you funny

How dare you!

"Head bag wearing" is obviously done only by people who are thinking hatey stuff and know their evil will be written in their faces. Well - WE SEE YOU, BIGOTS!!!

"Head bag wearing" should become a CRIME in itself! And it will ! We'll make sure of it!

No, it's true.

Misogyny is built into the bricks of our culture so just too much of a faff to include as a hate crime (sarcasm).

They actually tried to say that including it would be worse for women (not sarcasm).

Bit like Canada now

proposals there that if is thought that you might commit a hate crime you can be confined to your house and electronically tagged.

SNP. Might think that’s a great idea

I apologise to head-bag-wearers everywhere for bringing them - and their holy icon, Joseph Merrick - into disrepute.

I'm not being sarcastic.

'People are currently protected by specific laws on the basis of:

• disability
• race (and related characteristics)
• religion
• sexual orientation
• transgender identity

This Bill adds age to that list and allows sex to be added at a later date.'

https://www.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/bills/hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-bill

Good grief. So there's a hierarchy of protected characteristics?

Is it possible to report the Scottish government, and Humza in particular, for stirring up hatred?

Because this is doing just that. It's incentivising people like IW to make spurious accusations.

They are also enabling crimes to be committed - in fact, accessories before, during and after crimes because their policies are taking police away from policing, and encouraging and enabling criminals of all types to not only commit crimes (they know won't be investigated because of shortage of manpower) but get away with them (because they won't be investigated etc).

Is religion and belief a protected characteristic under the same criteria as the Equality Act - i.e. with reference to Forstater?

Sorry, that is not well phrased, I have been playing Hunt The Sock with my four-year-old for too long this morning, but you get the gist... 🤣

ArabellaScott · Today 08:28

They have a dedicated Hate Crime centre. It's a secret location. I wish I was joking.

I find that quite sinister and depressing.

Re the law and hate crimes being interpreted as such by any reasonable person, surely and putative defendant should ask for a jury trial? Most people ARE reasonable and would be very likely to give a not guilty verdict.

I'm sorry I know it seems so ludicrous it's funny, but at the same time I think this is the flat out scariest legislation I've ever seen.

Yes, JKR has the resources and ability to fight it.

What about every other woman in Scotland?

Of course these cases won't stand up in court.

I do not want to be arrested and have to go to court to prove my innocence.

But this would be part of the punishment for some hate crime a person perceived

being arrested and taken to court would take years. Imagine that hanging over you

Plus the obvious and greater effect than those who are arrested and put through a trial to prove that they are innocent is the general chilling effect on speech.

How many of us are willing to have our houses broken into, searched, and belongings confiscated, to have a court case hanging over us and the expense of taking on lawyers?

Best to be quiet, women. Best not go out at all, say anything, attract any attention. Best do as you're told.

There is no right to choose a jury trial in Scotland.

Imagine the Prosecutor fiscal having to prove the hate crime in court when it was just perceived by another person

fucking joke the whole thing

Is religion and belief a protected characteristic under the same criteria as the Equality Act - i.e. with reference to Forstater?

The list Arabella linked to only includes religion.

It does not include belief or lack of belief, as the EA2010 does.

So in theory religious fundamentalists could genuinely stir up hatred against atheists, and it wouldn't be a crime under this Act?

Is this in the Ministry of Truth (Minitru) or Ministry of Peace (Minipax)?