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JKR vs Police Scotland?

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IcakethereforeIam · 10/03/2024 22:02

Tras are trying to get JKR arrested.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/trans-activists-scottish-police-arrest-jk-rowling-crime/

https://archive.ph/5TEU4 highland fling yourself over the paywall, cos Scottish!

Thought to give IW a break.

The Hate Crime...crime(?) comes into force on 1st April, according to the article. The SNP has not engaged with any of the organisations who have expressed concerns and no-one knows what, if any, training the Police have been given.

Trans activists urge Scottish police to arrest JK Rowling over ‘misgendering hate crime’

Northumbria Police last week dismissed a complaint against the author over calling India Willoughby, a transgender TV personality, a male

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/trans-activists-scottish-police-arrest-jk-rowling-crime

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BezMills · 12/03/2024 15:01

"attention-seeker" really. You see what IW writes on the twits and that's the Executive Summary. Yeah, IW is a bit of an attention-seeker but yanno, we love IW really, such a character

PurpleSparkledPixie · 12/03/2024 15:01

DadJoke · 12/03/2024 14:55

It's just as transphobic when applied to Willoughby alone. IW is an attention-seeker, but that doesn't deserve transphobic abuse.

Is there a single gender critical person on this board who thinks it was transphobic?

Edited

Since you are trying to twist context and make a direct comment about one person into a generalisation of a group (which is very naughty and dishonest of you) perhaps you can start off with your meaning of transphobia.

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WallaceinAnderland · 12/03/2024 15:02

It's just as transphobic when applied to Willoughby alone.

It's not transphobic at all.

yourhairiswinterfire · 12/03/2024 15:02

DadJoke · 12/03/2024 14:55

It's just as transphobic when applied to Willoughby alone. IW is an attention-seeker, but that doesn't deserve transphobic abuse.

Is there a single gender critical person on this board who thinks it was transphobic?

Edited

It's an accurate observation based on Willoughby's own ramblings.

Interesting that Willoughby misgendering others and calling lesbians 'men' for not being feminine enough for Willoughby's liking is merely ''attention seeking'', but a woman pointing out the motivation for such behaviour is being ''abusive''.

WallaceinAnderland · 12/03/2024 15:04

Why does IW say that women with short hair, wearing jeans and checked shirts are men?

I mean that sincerely, why?

If not misogyny, then what is it?

WallaceinAnderland · 12/03/2024 15:09

Why does IW say that one of these photos is a woman and the other is six men?

What is the motivation behind it, if not misogyny?

JKR vs Police Scotland?
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VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 12/03/2024 15:22

DadJoke · 12/03/2024 14:11

Trans women are 'cosplaying a misogynistic male fantasy of what a woman is,' surely passes the very high bar for what even gender critical people think is transphobic?

Stated about all TWs, that would be transphobic as it's an unfair generalisation. It's been stated about a specific individual in this instance, based on that individual's documented behaviour. That difference in scope and basis in individual behaviour are critical.

GailBlancheViola · 12/03/2024 15:35

Trans women are 'cosplaying a misogynistic male fantasy of what a woman is,' surely passes the very high bar for what even gender critical people think is transphobic?

Why am I unsurprised that the resident TRA/MRA would post this completely dishonest and totally inaccurate version of what JKR actually tweeted.

You are aware that we can all read the actual tweet for ourselves aren't you DadJoke? How embarrassing that you have to stoop to dishonesty to attempt to make your argument when your dishonesty can be so clearly exposed.

lechiffre55 · 12/03/2024 15:41

DadJoke · 12/03/2024 14:55

It's just as transphobic when applied to Willoughby alone. IW is an attention-seeker, but that doesn't deserve transphobic abuse.

Is there a single gender critical person on this board who thinks it was transphobic?

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If "It's just as transphobic when applied to Willoughby alone." Then why the need to alter the context and make it appear JKR was speaking about all trans women? It is my belief your intention was to deliberately mislead. If you had posted the original unedited and made the argument you are now making, that would have been much better for you. Once you are caught with your hands in the cookie jar, you've already lost the credibility.

The thing is JKR in her tweet you butchered was taking about the behaviour of one individual. JKR was being critical of a person's behaviour irrespective of their other traits. Once you changed the context to all trans people it was then about the trait of being trans not behaviour. You changed the context from an individual's behaviour to a group of people sharing a trait ( not behaviour ). You changed the very meaning in doing so. If JKR had said what you falsely reported I would agree with you that it would have been transphobic. She would have accused a group of people of bad behaviour based purely on their shared single trait. But she didn't. She commented on one person's behaviour because of their behaviour. The motivation behind that person's behaviour may be connected to that trait for that individual, but it was not the trait that JKR was critical of. It wasn't transphobic abuse, it was criticism of behaviour.

If you have to change what JKR said to try and make your point maybe your point isn't as solid as you think it is.

WallaceinAnderland · 12/03/2024 15:47

Is there a single gender critical person on this board who thinks it was transphobic?

We don't have a definition of transphobic other than 'you're all big meanies'

WallaceinAnderland · 12/03/2024 16:02

I've seen it all now

https://twitter.com/HazelAppleyard_/status/1767345137523233220/photo/1

JKR: Tinkerbell Syndrome: the conviction that unless all women, everywhere, believe a man is a woman, he will die.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1767570059017273675

😂

https://twitter.com/HazelAppleyard_/status/1767345137523233220/photo/1

lechiffre55 · 12/03/2024 16:05

Yeah that has the same grounding and foundations in logic as everytime somone farts God kills a kitten.

ArabellaScott · 12/03/2024 16:10

Men don't get to tell women how it is to be a woman. Men don't get to tell women what misogyny is. It's both absurd and insulting.

Peskysquirrel · 12/03/2024 16:11

Thanks @Waitwhat23 . That clears the matter up.
It really is basically everything.

IcakethereforeIam · 12/03/2024 16:18

lechiffre55 · 12/03/2024 16:05

Yeah that has the same grounding and foundations in logic as everytime somone farts God kills a kitten.

😲 Christmas dinner hates cats!!!

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lechiffre55 · 12/03/2024 16:35

IcakethereforeIam · 12/03/2024 16:18

😲 Christmas dinner hates cats!!!

Brussel sprouts mass genocide the most vulnerable cats!
Bigots! Who would do such a thing??????

Redpencil99 · 12/03/2024 17:01

PurpleSparkledPixie · 10/03/2024 22:32

even if JKR being arrested for calling a man a man would not be the event that made the world take notice and realise how batshit and dangerous this whole thing was (and therefore should be the last thing the TRAs want)

It hasn't stopped them yet. They seem to thrive on batshittery.

It will be "interesting" to see this play out. Is this law the reason why JKR said she would rather go to jail or something else I missed?

Anyway, bat faeces is supposed to be even better than horse manure for roses (true) so maybe collect it up for fertiliser and "good things can grow from bad"

WickedSerious · 12/03/2024 17:02

DadJoke · 12/03/2024 13:30

As you are on this thread, I assume you already know, agree with it, and because you can't possibly be transphobic, it isn't. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Depends what you mean by 'transphobic'.

Emotionalsupportviper · 12/03/2024 19:06

Mollyollydolly · 11/03/2024 23:57

Oh dear what a shame never mind.
Everything IW touches turns to dust.

Explains the sudden volte-face.

Emotionalsupportviper · 12/03/2024 19:09

ArabellaScott · 12/03/2024 06:54

Well, yes. But it could be literally anything. There are no criteria, no requirement for evidence, perception is all.

The alleged victim doesn't need to have said protected characteristic and it doesn't need to be the alleged victim who reports. It just needs for the act to be perceived as being motivated by 'hate' towards an assumed characteristic.

So anyone can anonymously report anyone else for any act, if they consider it motivated by hate.

'Isobel Gowdie gave a person in the street a dirty look motivated by racism/transphobia/ageism/ableism/sectarianism'

Police are duty bound to record and report that.

And as I've just read, police can ascertain a motivation even if the reporter doesn't.

I have to keep thinking it through myself, because it's so fucking mad.

Again, I'm not a lawyer or police, this is just what I can glean from the Bill and police guidance. I'd be very very happy to be told I'm wrong!

'Isobel Gowdie gave a person in the street a dirty look motivated by racism/transphobia/ageism/ableism/sectarianism'

Those of subleased with "resting bitch face" are going to be in a lot of trouble. I am one. I'd better start my crowdfunder for my defence now.

Emotionalsupportviper · 12/03/2024 19:13

lechiffre55 · 12/03/2024 10:01

This what a reasonable person considers criteria seems awfully subjective.
Ask a million people if they think they are a reasonable person, I bet almosr all will say yes, and in there will be representatives of the very worst of humanity.

Person A and Person B are having a minor spat online. Both are behaving badly towards each other. Person A takes offense and tries to get it prosecuted by the police. Person A announces this loudly online. All person A's followers support person A and write online about how offensive what person B wrote was, and how much hatered it stirred up.
Person A uses the volume of this support from their followers as evidence that what person B wrote stirred up hatred as evidenced by a large number of reasonable people.

Person A is using the number of their followers who support whatever they say as "reasonable people".

Personally I think everyone who asks the police to record an NCHI against another person should also have that record of reporting against themselves. The police should consider if the reporter is a serial reporter using the police as a weapon against people they disagree with in thier considerations.
Disclose it to employers doing vetting too. This person recorded 200 NCHIs against other people last year. Hummmmmmmm.........

Personally I think everyone who asks the police to record an NCHI against another person should also have that record of reporting against themselves. The police should consider if the reporter is a serial reporter using the police as a weapon against people they disagree with in thier considerations.
Disclose it to employers doing vetting too. This person recorded 200 NCHIs against other people last year. Hummmmmmmm.........

Yep

Froodwithatowel · 12/03/2024 19:15

Those of subleased with "resting bitch face" are going to be in a lot of trouble. I am one. I'd better start my crowdfunder for my defence now.

Or we could start wearing veils. 'Offending blokes' is not that far off 'raising impure thoughts in blokes', I honestly wonder wtf the SNP are thinking. Or if they think at all.

DadJoke · 12/03/2024 19:22

lechiffre55 · 12/03/2024 15:41

If "It's just as transphobic when applied to Willoughby alone." Then why the need to alter the context and make it appear JKR was speaking about all trans women? It is my belief your intention was to deliberately mislead. If you had posted the original unedited and made the argument you are now making, that would have been much better for you. Once you are caught with your hands in the cookie jar, you've already lost the credibility.

The thing is JKR in her tweet you butchered was taking about the behaviour of one individual. JKR was being critical of a person's behaviour irrespective of their other traits. Once you changed the context to all trans people it was then about the trait of being trans not behaviour. You changed the context from an individual's behaviour to a group of people sharing a trait ( not behaviour ). You changed the very meaning in doing so. If JKR had said what you falsely reported I would agree with you that it would have been transphobic. She would have accused a group of people of bad behaviour based purely on their shared single trait. But she didn't. She commented on one person's behaviour because of their behaviour. The motivation behind that person's behaviour may be connected to that trait for that individual, but it was not the trait that JKR was critical of. It wasn't transphobic abuse, it was criticism of behaviour.

If you have to change what JKR said to try and make your point maybe your point isn't as solid as you think it is.

Her tweet, every bit of it, was directed at IW being transgender. There is plenty to criticise about IW without being transphobic.

Is it only IW who JKR thinks is "cosplaying a male fantasy of womanhood" or all trans women? Do you honestly think JKR thinks otherwise? She's just said out loud what she thinks about trans women in general.

Emotionalsupportviper · 12/03/2024 19:35

lechiffre55 · 12/03/2024 16:35

Brussel sprouts mass genocide the most vulnerable cats!
Bigots! Who would do such a thing??????

AND anyone/anything identifying as "catgender"

Dog-genderists are dancing in the streets . . .

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