Liz Truss crosses the golden bridge

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It would seem that Liz Truss has joined us on the dark side with her private members bill, which will be introduced on Friday.😱
The bill would see sex defined as biological sex only, ban cross sex hormones for minors and potentially ban all males from female single sex spaces and sports.
Quite some turn around for someone who wanted to bring in legal self-id

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1875672/liz-truss-trans-children-bill

Why do you think Sunak would not support it?

I watched her stand up to Crispin Blunt during his furious verbal onslaught in the Commons over self-ID. Crispin Blunt is the MP who defended (on more than one occasion) his convicted paedophile friend and former MP Imran Ahmad Khan.

Do you stand with Crispin Blunt?

I've linked to a Guardian article on it so you can trust the source.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/22/crispin-blunt-again-defends-convicted-sexual-abuser-imran-ahmad-khan

Because it’s been proposed by Liz Truss. If he is seen to support anything proposed by the NatCon faction then he will lose the support of most of the other factions and it’s game over. It’s the tories’ Militant moment.

@guinnessguzzler i don’t believe for a moment that the bill exists. We’ll get 20 minutes of Liz soundbiting and dog whistling for the press. That’s if it even happens, it’s third on the order paper a high probability that it won’t make the time cut (private members bills have to be debated by 2.30).

Here’s all the bills up for debate: https://whatson.parliament.uk/Commons/2024-03-15

It’s worth noting that they have never got beyond the fourth bill.

Remember how May was useless as a PM, yet the media were singing her praises this week because she supports causes such as self-ID.

Has anyone considered whether their view of Liz Truss has been impacted by a media that has a particular slant?

It was well-known before Truss became PM that she was the best person to get rid of the self-ID nonsense (in the Department for Equalities), and there were a lot of leaks from the civil service who tried to undermine those attempts. We know what happened when she was PM, but I am suspicious of the media and civil servants when it comes to these sort of matters.

Essentially if you go against the Stonewalled civil service you won't stay in politics for long.

Well if this does turn out to be a well written bill that neither government nor opposition have the guts to support because of the person presenting it, then that will pretty much confirm my view that none of the mainstream parties give a shit about women's interests, and that we really are on our own and need to put aside other differences and work together on this. So let's see.

@Floisme Sunak may well agree with every single word in this bill (should it ever emerge) but he would never support it or give it government time. The Conservative Party is in a state of civil war and Sunak and Truss are on opposite sides. There’s not going to be a Christmas truce. This is a completely predictable side effect of FPTP. If we had PR they could all bugger off and form their own parties rather than undermining the party they are in.

Oh, God. It's all so childish.
Perhaps self-interest will prevail - for the party as a whole, not just Sunak.

Oh lord. Can you imagine them all buggering off and forming new parties, with new policies, and possibly someone actually providing an alternative to the shitshow we're currently facing having to choose from?! The stuff of fantasy. Come on guys. Off you bugger. Please.

The fact such bills are being discussed at all is huge progress. The direction of travel is one way.

Oh how embarrassing I've mixed up liz Truss and therapeutic may 🤦‍♀️

At least it’s in the press which other bills on that list are not

So for coverage alone and moving the conversation on it’s good

As well as courour 's very reasonable point upthread, you could look at it slightly differently and say, if Sunak supported this, why hasn't his govt done ahead and done it themselves, rather than give the credit to a political rival? However you slice it, I can't see him backing it.

Ffs Teresa not therapeutic (thanks auto correct)

Well, I think we all know he doesn't think it's as important as we (or Truss) do. He could be waiting to see how it's received and what political capital he could make out of it. The Tory Party has always been very pragmatic about winning elections. If enacting this bill and adopting a strong stance in favour of women's rights generally would knock some percentage points off Labour's lead, perhaps he may think it's worth facing down some in his party and supporting the bill. That's my hope anyway.

Yep. She was stitched up by the deep state, the fact our mortgages went up by 50% and the BoE had to bail out all the pension companies at the tax payers expenses was nothing to do with why she went

Your post sounds as if you were suggesting I don't like Liz Truss' taking this position because she's in the wrong team.

Nope, it's not that.

I think Liz Truss is not an honest player. Her premiership was a disgrace and she's just spent time in the US sitting next to steve bannon blaming the deep state for her failures. She's a tufton st shill. She's moving towards the extreme far right in a bid to stay relevant. She's deluded. She's using this issue not out of genuine concern but because it's politically beneficial to her. It's not that she's a tory, it's that she is embarrassing and untrustworthy.

I dont want an issue that's very important and very serious to be hijacked by people with no credibility. Liz Truss. Katie Hopkins. Piers Corbyn. Russell Brand. These are some people that for different reasons I would not like to be the voice of anything I believe in, even if we agree. They would do more damage than good to the cause because they are not credible and say and do a lot of stupid and damaging things.

I don’t care what person proposes this Bill, I just want it to be heard.

You assume wrong.

Im not waiting for labour to do anything about women's rights or brexit.

Because they wont.

it is what it is.

That doesnt change my opinion that Liz Truss is a terrible voice in this issue because she has no personal credibility, not because she bats for the other team.

Very very well said 👏

Also of interest, if we're looking at the political longue(ish) dureé, is who would have been giving Liz Truss instruction when she stood up to the barrage from Crispin Blunt MP (and others) in the Commons over self-ID in Sept 2020, a year after she took up the post of Minister for Women & Equalities.

Her Prime Minister at the time was Boris Johnson.

Hansard link below. ('Debate' arising out of urgent question from Blunt.)

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2020-09-24/debates/9A57DC36-172D-40CF-98D6-502F1B9A78F0/GenderRecognitionActConsultation

If people are waiting for someone else to come along and do what Truss has they might be waiting for a while

In the meantime I’ll take those willing to push things forward rather than criticise from sidelines

We need it all, unless posters here are getting somewhere in another way. It all helps

Plus it’s obviously not a fad since Truss turned back on Self ID in 2020 before other parties have bothered

For anyone who missed this

MP had ‘mostly stayed away from Parliament’ since arrest but wanted to make views known on conversion therapy
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/02/crispin-blunt-transgender-vote-commons-rape-allegation/

Also, please dont let the usual thread hijackers derail this thread, but ... in this instance surely by now everyone knows that the Single Sex Exemptions exist precisely to exclude trans women from single sex services.

The problem is too many institutions, not just some women's service, but the NHS etc., cant be bothered to implement SSE provision because by and large women dont matter. And are just irritating for endlessly going on about their rights when everyone knows that their role is to be quiet and compliant.

I suspect even if this bill went through the various stages needed to make it law, most councils, the NHS etc., would provide fewer and fewer sex based services.

Behind all of this is the low status of women in society.

I'm really pleased about this Bill. But I find it hard to reconcile with her abject incompetence as a Minister and the PM whose unchecked budget nearby wiped out the UK private pension market. Strange times.