Liz Truss crosses the golden bridge

[Hoardasurass]

It would seem that Liz Truss has joined us on the dark side with her private members bill, which will be introduced on Friday.😱
The bill would see sex defined as biological sex only, ban cross sex hormones for minors and potentially ban all males from female single sex spaces and sports.
Quite some turn around for someone who wanted to bring in legal self-id

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1875672/liz-truss-trans-children-bill

I don't see Truss in the chamber.

Edit: There she is, playing with her phone.

Probably trying to block out LRM.

What an absolute farce this is.

To be honest that was very unremarkable for second reading of private member's bills. It's extremely rare for them to get to the third bill and unheard of to get to the fourth. It was always a very long shot. Both of the bills preceding hers were worthwhile and needed to be heard IMO.

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A&s=19

Just now Labour MPs prevented debate on a new law to protect children and single sex spaces.
Instead they used parliamentary time to discuss ferret name choices.
@Keir_Starmer is terrified of debate on safeguarding & his MPs actively work to ignore the concerns of constituents.

Utterly depressing.

Does anyone know how the order is decided? Obviously as LT was next in line she should be first but I have a suspicion that she won't be.

Nothing from Nadia Whitthorne yet? She was very cross about supposed filibustering for Lloyd Russell-M’s bill (even though his failed due to lack of votes and nothing to do with filibustering), so given how strongly she fees, I am sure she will be publicising how badly she feels her party has acted.

That was Selaine Saxby who is the Conservative MP for North Devon - did you even watch the debate??

@domineastronomy it will pick up where it left off on the 22nd by the looks of it as both the Public Procurement bill and Truss's Bill have asked for that date.

No I can’t do daytime TV I’m working

I can check mn though

That tweet wasn’t from me it’s quoting KB - in the link

There were about 20 asked for that date!

@EasternStandard the Animal Welfare Bill was introduced by Selaine Saxby who started off by naming all her pets (which is a bit of a Friday parliamentary tradition). A member of the opposition jokingly asked her if she had ever owned a ferret as the bill is the Animal Welfare (Import of Dogs, Cats, and Ferrets) Bill. The bill was fully debated as expected but there was no filibustering.

The second bill was a labour bill, the Public Procurement (British Goods and Services) Bill and there was a reasonable amount of filibustering.

However it wouldn't really have suited Badenoch's agenda to say that Labour wasted parliamentary time discussing legislation to encourage public bodies to support British manufacturers and farmers.

There were a few Tories droning on as well though not for too long.

Bah. All done because otherwise the Government would have to adopt or back it which means a legal analysis. And no one wants to do one of those so guess Rishi and Labour worked the pass.

Badenoch could have secured agreement to it being a government bill. On that she seems isolated.

@coureur / the Animal Welfare Bill is another example of a bill which is government policy but not deemed important enough to back now. Private members bills never go anywhere unless the Government backs them, and otherwise they are used a political release valve. Issue vented (or not even that in this case).

Animals incidentally get a huge amount of public engagement and support. More so than this bill.

If the Government wanted to, it could adopt the Truss Bill and steer it through normal Parliamentary procedures but there doesn’t seem to be much government desire to do that - which is frustrating because the Bill addresses key issues that Ministers (and the PM) have mentioned they would like to tackle. If this Bill is killed off because it’s inconvenient to any background power struggle in the Tory party that would be highly selfish behaviour on the part of the PM and/or Whips.

Political parties getting really caught up in prioritising their internal rivalry nonsense over offering the electorate something helpful, or worth voting for, seems to be the dominant mode of politics in the UK in recent years.

There is fairly good indication really that if a bill is that important, the Government picks it up quickly. That's because they want the credit and they can make a case regarding public policy, ie it's important.

When they don't, the message is very clear. Badenoch may well have wanted to pick it up or, and I have to say this is rather well drafted for a real private members bill (usually done by a politician themselves).

That sounds like Kemi is being a bit gaslight-y on Twitter doesn't it, by implying it was a labour bill that caused the issue.
Mind you, she's got a track record for saying whatever suits her, even if its not strictly accurate. Let's see if she surprises us all by picking up the bill in her role as Women's and Equalities Minister.

I don't think either party comes out of this well.

The way in which the government left it to their arguably most discredited MP to raise the issue through a Private Members Bill really doesn't suggest to me that they take it very seriously. And I hadn't noticed too many Conservative MPs voicing their support beforehand - too scared of being tainted by association with Truss is my guess.

But then I have no intention of voting Conservative so my main focus was always going to be on how Labour responded. I've always said I'll wait until the Labour manifesto before I decide my vote but I think their behaviour today spells it out far more clearly than some obfuscating lawyer approved document ever will.

I think we're on our own.

I hope a local independent candidate will stand in my constituency, someone not driven by tribal loyalties, who doesn't have one eye on a ministerial post and who answers to their community rather than to a party whip.

Liz Truss says she has been overwhelmed with support and I believe her. But it might still be a subject in which too many MPs are wary of committing themselves.
I have a suspicion Kemi Badenoch is put out that this is not under her aegis. (So put that right, Kemi!) She said something about it not being well thought out, or unworkable - I don't see that but obviously I am no expert in drafting or parliamentary procedure.
So we go again next Friday, is that right?

She's a safe pair of hands for a poison chalice, she'll never be in the top leadership again, but she is a known name. Same with Braverman. That this has been drafted and publicised at all is a huge thing, and its showing the serious testing of the water in the HoC. And I understand that there is cross party support for this, which is what is needed: this needs not to be a party thing but a doing what is right thing. What we don't know yet is how much, now, and how it will build over time.

The AIBU thread is a car wreck

Labour supporters very keen to bury debate or women hearing what their party think

Possibly our equalities minister has seen this bill or something like it before. And that might explain the less than enthusiastic support and slightly crunchy attitude to it

I don't think that's fair.
I think its more holding KB account for what she tweeted and the accuracy of it.

This was interesting:
The Telegraph understands that Ms Badenoch, the equalities minister, had wanted to back large sections of the Bill but was prevented from doing so by Cabinet colleagues.

Gillian Keegan, the Education Secretary, and Victoria Atkins, the Health Secretary, had raised concerns with the legislation.

Government sources denied claims that some Tory MPs had been urged to keep talking on the earlier private members’ Bill, which was about the import of dogs, cats and ferrets.

Certainly fits with Hansard where the bill was debated at length by both sides. But I think private members bills deserve respect, the animal import bill was a Conservative bill so its a bit weird of KB to minimise it and act as if it was a labour bill

You know you might all think a bit differently on Badenoch if you think that her effective mentor is Gove (or was as they apparently they fell out). She really does use a lot of his techniques in interviews, right down to cod religiously discussing things but conspicuously not concluding points. Perhaps not as charming: but she's articulate and on the money.

He endorses as the future of the Conservatives; well look at what she delivers. And it is not very much. She is just as much a politician as he is. Never is that clearer than on something like this. Overruled by Victoria Atkins??? Remember she wants to be leader!