WPATH leaks

[PriOn1]

There are a number of articles appearing on Twitter about some leaked files from WPATH. The impending scandal is taking far too long to break, but there are more and more signs that journalists are no longer ignoring the situation.

https://unherd.com/newsroom/leaked-wpath-files-show-gender-clinician-abuses/

Mate we've already covered this one. Nor a great debunking when it claims to have found 216 errors but won't list them.

Oh and transwomen can't be lesbians as Erin claims so that's not an error. HTH.

I reckon that claim of ‘216’ was a figure that Read pulled out of the air that Read thought sounded like they did the work. Considering they churned that article out within hours of the release of a report of that size? It was never a credible number as Read did not have prior access.

I believe Read has self described as a mother too.

So they self identidied as:

a woman
a mother
an expert at critically analysing documents
as unbiased
as having been thorough
as having put in the time
as having found 216 errors
as having come to the correct conclusion.

Have I missed any?

And we are supposed to think Read can even recognise material reality and factual evidence when they see it. And we are supposed to think that posters, including barristers, who post their links are able to even make a sound let alone adequate analysis of the information they post these articles to counter?

It really shows the complete lack of evidence there actually is if this is the gold standard. It is remarkable though that some people in the world genuinely believe that this is credible in any way.

Self identifying as a lesbian?

Identifies as a journalist.

In fact better described as 'random on Twitter'.

It's very unlucky that you happened to post this under a personal account from someone who is a victim of this healthcare. Definitely very wrongly, it makes you look like a truly awful person.

DadJoke · Today 01:17

It’s tendentious drivel.

No it's not, as everyone else has explained.

Oh. I apologise to dadjoke. I realise now that he was saying that the article he posted was ‘ tendentious drivel’ ! Not that the WPATH files or the victim account was tendentious drivel.

That was what you were saying dadjoke, wasn’t it? That Read’s article was tendentious drivel?

I agree !!

Once you’ve found multiple errors and pointed them out, errors of fact, decontextualision and misrepresentation, looked at the motives, funding and methods of the authors and found them lacking, further analysis is not required.
Even the Mail hasn’t touched this nonsense.

i looked at it, and it’s just a badly constructed hit piece based on posts from a forum anyone can join. You can access and read what WPATH actually say and do.

Oh god mate, just wait until I tell you about the dodgy suicide statistics used by TRAs, you'll be flipping outraged.

Also, Erin churned out that 'debunking' after only 30 hours - there is no way on this green earth that it's possible to do a thorough debunking in such a short period of time.

Add to that the absence of most of the 216 alleged errors, there is no reason to take this document (if you can even call it that), or the claims made by the author, seriously. You'd have to be particularly motivated and gullible to even give it the time of time.

Oh. So you are not saying that Read's article was tendentious drivel?

Oh well. I take that apology back.

This post of yours though is hilarious. You really have not read what people have posted pointing out the 'contextual errors', the 'motives', and the 'methods' of the authors that you have posted, have you?

Isn't it time to admit the raging hypocrisy in your posts?

And um .... from the top google searches... relating directly to this document...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13159687/SARAH-VINE-Keir-Starmer-jail-let-zealot-doctors-blinded-gender-ideology-loose-child.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13156695/Trans-healthcare-doctors-exposed-admitting-patients-young-mentally-ill-understand-consequences-treatment.html

And older....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11227887/Eunuch-gender-says-prominent-pro-trans-advocacy-group.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13092239/Top-Canadian-surgeon-unwittingly-reveals-TRUTH-sex-change-ops-unearthed-video-lifts-lid-ill-trained-doctors-dying-appendages-dreaded-complications.html

Please. Just admit that you are not interested in insisting on a high standard of care for children and only interested in scolding women who don't agree with you and pushing your own ideological beliefs here.

BollockGantryFailedComedian is the perfect mascot for The Right Side of History, and I feel a sense of utter delight every time I see one of his/her/their/xir's posts. The beautiful way they lay bare the mendacious empty holier-than-thou thought-terminating hollowness of the ideology.

#OperationLetThemSpeak

Let's just look at some of the quotes from WPATH President Dr Marci Bowers. I'm sure you will agree that this is representative of what WPATH actually say and do.

In January 2022, WPATH President Bowers admitted in the forum that the effect of puberty blockers on fertility and “the onset of orgasmic response” is not yet fully understood. Also, Bowers conceded that there are “problematic surgical outcomes” for natal males who have their puberty blocked early.

Bowers then said the question of whether or not these young males will be able to achieve orgasm later in life was “thornier,” with the WPATH president admitting that all personal clinical experience up to that point indicated that boys who have their puberty blocked at Tanner Stage 2, the beginning of pubertal development, are completely unable to orgasm. “Clearly, this number needs documentation, and the long-term sexual health of these individuals needs to be tracked,” said Bowers.

Bowers also mentioned the “problematic surgical outcomes” faced by these patients. Here, the WPATH president is referring to the fact that natal males who have their puberty suppressed at Tanner Stage 2 typically require a more complicated vaginoplasty surgery than the standard penile inversion.

There are two notable examples of the “problematic surgical outcomes” that can ensue as a result of these riskier surgeries. The first is the tragic death of an 18-year-old natal male who participated in the pioneering Dutch trial and died of necrotizing fasciitis.

Then there is the story of Jazz Jennings, the trans-identified natal male star of the reality TV show I Am Jazz. Jennings was also one of the first children to take part in the puberty suppression experiment, and when it came time for vaginoplasty, Jazz also had insufficient penile tissue, making it necessary to use part of Jazz’s peritoneum lining and a section of thigh skin. Bowers was the surgeon who performed the operation. Days after the surgery, the pseudo-vagina came apart, causing Jazz intense pain and requiring three corrective surgeries.

As well, on more than one occasion, the WPATH members pass the blame to the young person. Another psychologist talks of a female patient who is still in high
school and has decided to detransition, claiming that the girl “acknowledges that [she] was the driver in getting [her] to this point.” WPATH President Bowers then echoed this psychologist’s opinion, stating that all medical treatments have regret rates that are typically much higher than for gender transition, and “patients need to own and take active responsibility for medical decisions, especially those that have potentially permanent effects.”

if you read a huge document which puppets to be research and find it riddled with errors and misinformation from start to finish don’t need to analyse the whole thing to see how flawed it is. Read the article. No one who reads the article or looks at the document with any kind of objectivity could mistake it for research or journalism.

My bad - I made the mistake of overestimating the Mail. Tendentious drivel is their stock in trade, and their tiny oppressed minority du jour are transgender people.

Disagreeing with gullible gender critical people who will believe anything, even produced by people who oppose women’s rights, as long as it punches down on transgender people is not “scolding women.”

Once again you have shown your contributions on this forum seem to be more about shaming women analysing and discussing situations that impact our lives directly and collectively than about contributing anything positive.

Yea. WE are the reason DadJoke posts here. it's us. It's the women here. This is why he pulls crap articles and stupid statistics out of the air and posts them. And doesn't read them. It's not to do with an argument. It's to do with the women here.

He's probably not even a TRA in real life. Just goes upstairs after his tea and sits on mumsnet.

Unless there’s good proof that the WPATH clinicians didn’t actually say the horrible things they said, there’s nothing to debunk. It’s their open admission they don’t think the kids can understand and consent while telling the world the opposite that is the horror of this document.

Bowers admitted in the forum that the effect of puberty blockers on fertility and “the onset of orgasmic response” is not yet fully understood.

They don't understand it, but they expect children to not only understand it, but take responsibility for it

Clearly, this number needs documentation, and the long-term sexual health of these individuals needs to be tracked,” said Bowers.

oh, it's tracked alright. Jazz Jennings tracks the whole thing for them on the TV. Jazz Jennings, who is under the impression that an orgasm is like a sneeze. The driving force amongst males everywhere, is a sneeze.

Bowers also mentioned the “problematic surgical outcomes” faced by these patients.

Children. Bowers means children. They start arresting their development at Tanner stage two.

And yet

patients need to own and take active responsibility for medical decisions, especially those that have potentially permanent effects.”

These disgusting, money grabbing, butchers are actually starting to swivel to the position where it's the kids' fucking fault.

When the TRAs number one mantra is to listen to the kids..

That didn't happen
And if it did it wasn't that bad.

I'm really at the end of any patience with people with alternative realities in which harming kids is nice.

Unless there’s good proof that the WPATH clinicians didn’t actually say the horrible things they said, there’s nothing to debunk.

This.

Bowers is the president of WPATH and a surgeon doing the operations and says that males blocked at Tanner stage 2 cannot experience orgasm.

But Lo! Erin Read has debunked this document! These males who are blocked at Tanner stage 2 CAN orgasm! Erin Read is right and Bowers is wrong! Thanks DadJoke, really convinced me!

You are not reading people's posts.

WE HAVE READ YOUR ARTICLES AND WE HAVE FOUND THEY ARE FLAWED! PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ THIS THREAD AND SEE WHAT WE FOUND.

Your posts are fucking hilarious in how you have tried to position the authors who you have outsourced your critical thinking to. Do you even understand what you have down and seem proud of doing?

"errors of fact, decontextualision and misrepresentation, looked at the motives, funding and methods of the authors and found them lacking, further analysis is not required."

Evan Urquhart - has used a similar dismissal technique writing that the Wi Spa incident was a HOAX! And issues abusive tweets as a female to other female people who they disagree with. AND is motivated by the fact they are trans activists... hardly impartial motivation, don't you think?

Erin Read - is a male who declares they are a mother and a lesbian and at least attempted to post evidence to discredit the report. THAT EVIDENCE DID NOT SAY WHAT READ THOUGHT IT DID. And Read also showed they don't understand the concepts they are critiquing. Read has also in the past shown that they don't report the facts. They have in fact completely misrepresented the experience and the role of people they have attempted to discredit, thereby making that article that where they attempted to similarly 'debunk' similarly completely flawed. Also motivated through their work being an extreme trans activist as a male transitioner. Again, hardly fucking impartial. Look at that for fucking motivation.

FFS. Do some fucking work for yourself and stop continuously making us think you have no ability to analyse information from original sources. Unless you actually don't have that ability at all.