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Emotionalsupportviper · 08/03/2024 11:09

NotBadConsidering · 08/03/2024 11:02

Unless there’s good proof that the WPATH clinicians didn’t actually say the horrible things they said, there’s nothing to debunk. It’s their open admission they don’t think the kids can understand and consent while telling the world the opposite that is the horror of this document.

Downstairs, more likely.

Helleofabore · 08/03/2024 11:10

DadJoke · 08/03/2024 10:50

if you read a huge document which puppets to be research and find it riddled with errors and misinformation from start to finish don’t need to analyse the whole thing to see how flawed it is. Read the article. No one who reads the article or looks at the document with any kind of objectivity could mistake it for research or journalism.

My bad - I made the mistake of overestimating the Mail. Tendentious drivel is their stock in trade, and their tiny oppressed minority du jour are transgender people.

Disagreeing with gullible gender critical people who will believe anything, even produced by people who oppose women’s rights, as long as it punches down on transgender people is not “scolding women.”

yes..... it is a huge document.... is it beyond your capacity to read it and analyse it?

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 11:10

sourdoughismyreligion · 08/03/2024 10:33

Also, Erin churned out that 'debunking' after only 30 hours - there is no way on this green earth that it's possible to do a thorough debunking in such a short period of time.

Add to that the absence of most of the 216 alleged errors, there is no reason to take this document (if you can even call it that), or the claims made by the author, seriously. You'd have to be particularly motivated and gullible to even give it the time of time.

I think you'll find many trans activists have perfected the skill of pre debunking. That is, trashing a source without even having read it.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 08/03/2024 11:37

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 11:10

I think you'll find many trans activists have perfected the skill of pre debunking. That is, trashing a source without even having read it.

Is this called "well poisoning"?

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 12:00

Good fallacy spot!

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/03/2024 12:03

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 11:10

I think you'll find many trans activists have perfected the skill of pre debunking. That is, trashing a source without even having read it.

Why should they read it?

Their minds are made up. They don't need anyone to confuse them with facts.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 12:04

Good video and tweet thread from Reduxx which summarises their early findings about Eunuch identity in WPATH.

x.com/reduxxmag/status/1765109500032266330?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Feel free to "debunk".

SinnerBoy · 08/03/2024 12:06

DadJoke · Today 10:50

if you read a huge document which puppets to be research and find it riddled with errors and misinformation from start to finish don’t need to analyse the whole thing to see how flawed it is.

I assume that you mean "purports"? You haven't read it, have you? Can you produce some of these errors, along with your analysis of what's wrong with them? Or some of the mis-contextualised stuff?

yourhairiswinterfire · 08/03/2024 12:09

Disagreeing with gullible gender critical people who will believe anything

Well it's very easy to believe seeing as the butchers that call themselves doctors are on video, giggling away at the fact they're destroying the fertility of kids who aren't old enough or mature enough to understand what they're signing away.

Children who are so naïve, they think they can just adopt, and adoption is as simple as visiting an orphanage and choosing a baby to take home. And if not adoption, that a pet dog will be a good substitute for a baby.

And despite knowing full well that these children and some vulnerable adults don't fully understand and therefore can't give informed consent (how can they be expected to understand when even the so-called experts don't), we have the charming Bowers blaming the children and vulnerable adults if they're unhappy with the harm that's been done to them.

It's all there in their own words.

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 12:10

people who will believe anything

Did you know some people think it's possible to change sex, and that sterilising children in pursuit of this via experimental surgeries is 'the right side of history'?

duc748 · 08/03/2024 12:12

Looking around at the range of regular posters on FWR, 'gullible' is hardly the word that springs to mind. Certainly compared to some of the uninformed drivel you can read elsewhere.

Froodwithatowel · 08/03/2024 12:12

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/03/2024 12:03

Why should they read it?

Their minds are made up. They don't need anyone to confuse them with facts.

Which really nails it.

The irony of someone in fervent favour of alternative reality calling sex realists 'gullible' ..... well it's about as sensible as any other part of their ideology.

Cats are small intrinsic lawnmowers, I'm Queen Victoria, we never left Europe, WW2 never happened, London is a small Amazon forest community and my pet leopards need their vegan lunch. Life is great!

WickedSerious · 08/03/2024 12:20

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/03/2024 12:03

Why should they read it?

Their minds are made up. They don't need anyone to confuse them with facts.

Hard,painful,inconvenient facts.

They spoil everything.

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 12:22

people who will believe anything

Did you know that some people believe children can identify as Eunuchs?

Guess what 'gender affirming care' means in this context?

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 12:23

people who will believe anything

Some people believe in an innate gender identity that supersedes biological sex and material reality.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 12:23

See the video I posted below exposing the eunuch identity activists within WPATH.

Helleofabore · 08/03/2024 12:26

I still find it mind exploding that a poster can think they have any credibility discussing the 'motivations', 'methods', and 'funding' of the people who compiled the document when they are defending WPATH.

Who the fuck thinks that WPATH's motivations at this stage is for the best child health outcome? And their 'methods' have already been proven to have such weak conclusions that country after country's health organisations have done reviews and declared that they are harmful. Even the WHO. In fact, a German team released a similarly updated but just as damning review in the past fortnight.

And funding ... you have to be fucking kidding that someone could think that WPATH's funding is without the same criticism being thrown at the organisation who published this document.

"looked at the motives, funding and methods of the authors and found them lacking, further analysis is not required" is pure fuckwittery. And it is highly hypocritical.

And not just WPATH, but the poster is defending known extreme trans activists who have recognisable history in writing falsehoods and on their own websites. So, not a person with experience who was tasked to produce a document, but known extreme transgender rights activists who have established their own evidence free zones to publish.

However, I read the articles and did not dismiss them because of who wrote them. I read the articles and analysed the content on its merits. Because that is what mature independent thinking people do. Read the original source and analyse it.

DadJoke if you genuinely cannot read the subject at hand, can I please ask that you at least admit it and then stop tossing in ridiculous ad hom attacks at the people who have.

SinnerBoy · 08/03/2024 12:52

Helleofabore · Today 12:26

Who the fuck thinks that WPATH's motivations at this stage is for the best child health outcome?

Nobody who's read about them, digested and understood what they're doing and their cavalier attitude to the lives of children. Nobody who's watched and listened to the videos linked in this thread and others and heard them condemn themselves out of their own mouths.

Nobody vaguely rational.

Only hidebound ideologues, who have a position they will defend like the Führerbunker, convinced that they still have 100 divisions.

Rainbowshit · 08/03/2024 12:57

DadJoke · 08/03/2024 10:50

if you read a huge document which puppets to be research and find it riddled with errors and misinformation from start to finish don’t need to analyse the whole thing to see how flawed it is. Read the article. No one who reads the article or looks at the document with any kind of objectivity could mistake it for research or journalism.

My bad - I made the mistake of overestimating the Mail. Tendentious drivel is their stock in trade, and their tiny oppressed minority du jour are transgender people.

Disagreeing with gullible gender critical people who will believe anything, even produced by people who oppose women’s rights, as long as it punches down on transgender people is not “scolding women.”

Right well I started with the title of Erin's supposed research which claims there are 216 errors and expected there to be 216 errors listed.

I shouldn't go any further right?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 12:59

Who on earth thinks "Erin" has any credibility at all? However much one hates the Mail.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 08/03/2024 13:39

under the impression that an orgasm is like a sneeze. The driving force amongst males everywhere, is a sneeze.

That explains the historic popularity of snuff.

I don't know how you all the patience to continue engaging with the comedic one.

PatatiPatatras · 08/03/2024 14:23

So @DadJoke you haven't actually seen the 216? Only the enticing starters? Do you think you can acquire them? I'm genuinely curious to see where the context was tampered with. I'm hopeful the number is real and wasn't based on statistical extrapolation...

DadJoke · 08/03/2024 14:41

PatatiPatatras · 08/03/2024 14:23

So @DadJoke you haven't actually seen the 216? Only the enticing starters? Do you think you can acquire them? I'm genuinely curious to see where the context was tampered with. I'm hopeful the number is real and wasn't based on statistical extrapolation...

I have read the article and a lot of the files. There is more than enough in that to show this is far-right bunk based on content posted on a forum anyone can join.

The number 216 is irrelevant to me. Ask the writer if you want more details.

PatatiPatatras · 08/03/2024 14:52

I'm confused.

You mean erin's article? I read that... and it was more hypotheses than look here at this which is wrong...Although he did keep saying look at this but it kept going into unrelated information... not really stating what was wrong in the release.
So I would like to see things which are actually wrong. I do care that the number is right because of credibility but I'm willing to squint at it.

And what files did you read? Does Reid have files available?

nothingcomestonothing · 08/03/2024 15:06

DadJoke · 08/03/2024 14:41

I have read the article and a lot of the files. There is more than enough in that to show this is far-right bunk based on content posted on a forum anyone can join.

The number 216 is irrelevant to me. Ask the writer if you want more details.

So quoting WPATH members' own words is 'far-right bunk'? Are you saying WPATH are far right??

I mean to be fair, they are in favour of medical experimentation on children and mentally ill people, so you might actually be onto something there...

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