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Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 12:06

There is no such thing as "LAP" it's just Dadjoke's twee attempt at fake legalese, to give his claims more apparent credibility.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 12:07

Surely basic fairness should say, if there's a mixed sex pond, and it's known that some woman can only use a facility at all if there's a female only provision, and this is part of their diversity, intersectionality, identity, culture, all the stuff the TQ+ lobby bore on for England about, only total bastards who are MRAs would exclude those women.

Yes.

Froodwithatowel · 08/03/2024 12:09

Women, when selfish men have pushed you out of anything at all, so they can have everything, (even though their own needs were already met), you can always.... find the time, energy, huge amounts of money and several years of intense stress, and see if the law might stand up for you.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 12:15

As we know, Dadjoke won't even give money to FGM activists he doesn't approve of, unless his white feminist friends do. Much intersectionality.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 08/03/2024 12:26

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 12:07

Surely basic fairness should say, if there's a mixed sex pond, and it's known that some woman can only use a facility at all if there's a female only provision, and this is part of their diversity, intersectionality, identity, culture, all the stuff the TQ+ lobby bore on for England about, only total bastards who are MRAs would exclude those women.

Yes.

Tsk tsk Saying the quiet part out loud, how very dare you?

theilltemperedclavecinist · 08/03/2024 12:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 12:06

There is no such thing as "LAP" it's just Dadjoke's twee attempt at fake legalese, to give his claims more apparent credibility.

There is though - it will get him in the end!

JanesLittleGirl · 08/03/2024 12:38

Jesus Christ on a bicycle @DadJoke
I can't tell if your posts are willful misunderstanding or a simple inability to comprehend. Do you know what the difference is between statutory and non-statutory guidance? Your actions are unlawful if you disregard statutory guidance. Your actions are unlawful if you disregard non-statutory guidance and cannot show that either the guidance doesn't apply to you or that the non-statutory guidance contradicts the statutory guidance. You have kindly illustrated that the EHRC guidance on sex and GR exceptions for service providers doesn't contradict the statutory guidance so disregarding it is unlikely to survive first contact with a court of law.

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/03/2024 12:43

He's just "working his ticket" as we say up here, @JanesLittleGirl .

But as long as he's here poking us with a stick, he's leaving some other poor bugger alone. Engaging with his idiocy is a charitable act in that sense.

Waitwhat23 · 08/03/2024 12:50

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/03/2024 11:17

Sez you!

Why would I believe anything told to me by a person who claims men can be women?

Quite. It's the mark of someone who is either credulous or malevolent.

(Edited to remove a stray The)

Hampstead Pond - Brave woman speaks
DadJoke · 08/03/2024 13:46

JanesLittleGirl · 08/03/2024 12:38

Jesus Christ on a bicycle @DadJoke
I can't tell if your posts are willful misunderstanding or a simple inability to comprehend. Do you know what the difference is between statutory and non-statutory guidance? Your actions are unlawful if you disregard statutory guidance. Your actions are unlawful if you disregard non-statutory guidance and cannot show that either the guidance doesn't apply to you or that the non-statutory guidance contradicts the statutory guidance. You have kindly illustrated that the EHRC guidance on sex and GR exceptions for service providers doesn't contradict the statutory guidance so disregarding it is unlikely to survive first contact with a court of law.

I have illustrated no such thing.

The non-statutory guidance has no standing in law, the statutory guidance does. If they contradict each other (which they do in this COP) then you would be a fool to follow the non-statutory guidance. In fact, you are always better off following the statutory guidance and ignoring the interim non-statutory guidance altogether.

A service provider cannot use “I followed the non-statutory guidance” as a defence in court. That does not apply to the statutory guidance.

It will never replace the statutory guidance because much of the advice and examples are unlawful.

Even then, the EqA and case law associated with it is still the real source.

https://www.penningtonslaw.com/news-publications/latest-news/2022/recent-ehrc-guidance-on-single-sex-or-separate-sex-services-provides-little-clarity-for-the-sports-sector

https://www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/committees/equalities-human-rights-and-civil-justice-committee/correspondence/2022/briefing-note-from-robin-white-on-ehrc-guidance.pdf

https://www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/committees/equalities-human-rights-and-civil-justice-committee/correspondence/2022/briefing-note-from-robin-white-on-ehrc-guidance.pdf

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 13:48

It's funny, Dadjoke, but every time I see a post from you lately I get the Archers theme song playing in my head. Cannot explain it.

DadJoke · 08/03/2024 13:55

LAP is shorthand for a “proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.” I’ll be sure to type it out in full in future so that you can address substance rather than syntax.

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/03/2024 13:55

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 13:48

It's funny, Dadjoke, but every time I see a post from you lately I get the Archers theme song playing in my head. Cannot explain it.

😂

Funny, that.

I get the Benny Hill one.

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/03/2024 13:56

DadJoke · 08/03/2024 13:55

LAP is shorthand for a “proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.” I’ll be sure to type it out in full in future so that you can address substance rather than syntax.

Could you define all of those words please?

Just so we all know we are taking about the same thing.

Or different things.

Or anything.

Or even nothing.

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 13:58

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/03/2024 13:55

😂

Funny, that.

I get the Benny Hill one.

Dammit, that's catchy.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 13:58

I have addressed substance countless times. Many more times than you've explained why I should believe a male can be a woman @DadJoke

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 13:58
someone represent GIF

Dadjoke doing LAPS

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 13:59

As I said it's a way for you to pretend to look more authoritative than you actually are.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 13:59

Grin Arabella

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/03/2024 13:59

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 13:58

Dadjoke doing LAPS

😂

And it goes on ad infinitum!

Edited to add the Latin bit.

TRAs love a bit of Latin.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 14:02

Anyway, Happy International Women's Day from a brilliant FGM activist who gets abuse from trans rights activists for refusing to acknowledge gender identity ideology as a real or meaningful issue in her fight against an exclusively female form of oppression.

x.com/hibowardere/status/1765894161935261810?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

DadJoke · 08/03/2024 14:04

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 12:15

As we know, Dadjoke won't even give money to FGM activists he doesn't approve of, unless his white feminist friends do. Much intersectionality.

I gave money to the Orchid Project, which works with Hibo Wardere, who is not a white feminist. I asked a journalist who spent three months on the ground which charity she recommended. Don’t you take the advice of white feminists every day?

Why not take time off from misrepresenting me, and donate here? I will match your donation up to £100.

I’ll take your word you have done it.

https://www.orchidproject.org/get-involved/donate/#donate

Donate - Orchid Project

https://www.orchidproject.org/get-involved/donate/#donate

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/03/2024 14:04

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 13:48

It's funny, Dadjoke, but every time I see a post from you lately I get the Archers theme song playing in my head. Cannot explain it.

The Archers threadstarter in me is irked by this. Harrumph.

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2024 14:04

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 14:02

Anyway, Happy International Women's Day from a brilliant FGM activist who gets abuse from trans rights activists for refusing to acknowledge gender identity ideology as a real or meaningful issue in her fight against an exclusively female form of oppression.

x.com/hibowardere/status/1765894161935261810?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Oh, gosh. Happy IWD, Hibo. What a beautiful woman and a beautiful message.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2024 14:05

Yes, Hibo is inspiring.

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