Are Transwomen male or female? Ask the BBC

[Justme56]

https://pressgazette.co.uk/the-wire/newspaper-corrections-media-mistakes-errors-legal/justin-webb-bbc-today-trans-complaint/

That’s why I now say ‘transgender males’.

I'm wondering whether to delete my BBC app and find another news source, though perhaps it's good to monitor what they're up to.

BTW, why do TRAs get angry about women being defined as "adult human female", when they have now rewritten "male" and "female" for themselves?

Un fucking real. Transwomen aren't just male, they're men. Adult human males.

It's literally impossible to be a transwoman if you're not male!

This is the BBC deciding, unilaterally, that they are going to redefine the word male. No, not redefine it, un-define it.

Because they haven't given an alternative meaning to 'of or denoting the sex who produce sperm.'

Just decided to pander to an ideology in the teeth of almost their entire viewing public.

I wonder how that impartiality is working out for them!

I honestly attribute this whole woman hating - men can be woman discord to the likes of Andrew Tate and all then the incel based content online.

It’s so clearly porn based sexual fantasy shit, you just have to have a glance at Reddit etc to see major red flags.

Men addicted to porn and being trans is a perfect circle in a venn diagram, as a woman I have yet to watch any porn (for all the TRAs reading).

its fucking shocking how we are to accept people with open fetishes into our safe spaces.

I was wondering the same. Any broadcasters/BBC staff out there who can suggest something that might be helpful?

I'm wondering whether to delete my BBC app

I've just done so. I've been tempted in the past, but enough is enough!

Me too.
Lots of us.

Men basically think it doesn't affect them, and do not care that it affects women.
So they ignore it. Think it will just all go away as it is silly.

But we know that it is only going to go away with serious pressure.

WhiteVelvet what did you have in mind?
Do you still post on the Times online comments?

I'd love to meet up with some of the posters. So knowledgable and sensible. And CROSS

This is maddening and horrific. I am disgusted with the BBC...since when did indisputable facts cease to matter? Impartiality? I used to really trust the BBC, no longer

Hmmm, no I don’t think all of them do. In fact I know they don’t. But there have been unbelievable meltdowns between different factions of the movement any time men have tried to join in support in any significant numbers. Yeah, that’s jogged my memory. It’s been a problem in the past.

😡 This is fucking outrageous. Can we complain about their ridiculous handling of this complaint?

Good point.

Well put

I was recently looking at some BBC reporting on prisons and this is part of something they wrote following the Isla Bryson case. I’m pretty sure females don’t have …

The era of "sex and gender are different" didn't last long.

As someone who was born female, I’ve decided to identify as a trans woman. I am going to attend Pride, wave my trans flag and become a spokestranswoman for the entire community.

If we’re all the same then clearly it works the other way around too.

No I don’t post there any longer. They kept shutting down the comments section on GC articles and/or barring me from commenting and censoring/removing my posts. I got into a few arguments with journos too who entered the comments section. That’s the thing about The Times, they were great at publicising the matter but would censor those who agreed with their articles. It got a bit bonkers.

I’ve started another thread. Have a look.

It's maybe better than transwoman, but I suspect that you'd still get people thinking it means a biological woman identifying as male. Over the last year I've seen a lot more use of the words male and female with reference to trans identities.

Is this the same BBC that has an actual dedicated department and prominent correspondent that are tasked with exposing disinformation, misinformation and fake news?

Apparently, north is not south, up is not down, left is not right, black is not white... UNLESS they happen to be a particular kind of north, up, left or black - unilaterally according to the personal beliefs of the people in power at the BBC, of course - who are so upright and infallible that their beliefs can actually be officially promoted to become proven and uncontroversial facts.

Perfectly clear and nobody could possibly argue with that........

I now say ‘transgender male’, so as to remove ‘woman’ entirely, and to ensure ‘male’ is pointedly used.

I am old enough to remember when the terminology was "male transsexual" and "female transexual", which I think is even better TBH as it makes the sex of the person primary and 100% clear.

I know that they would not tolerate "male transgender", although "transgender" as a noun seems to be in common currency in the USA, eg. when you hear Senators in official hearings referring to "transgenders", in the same way that we still talk about "transsexuals".

You can add positive feedback on here https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments-feedback/#/Your%20comment If we all do it, it might strike home.

So now we demand consistency from them.

Here is the finding that is the basis of the Press Gazette report
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/ecu/today-radio-4-22-august-2023

It states: "In relation to impartiality, however, the ECU considered it could only be understood by listeners as meaning that trans women remain male, without qualification as to gender or biological sex, and that, even if unintentional, it gave the impression of endorsing one viewpoint in a highly controversial area. It therefore upheld this aspect of the complaint."

So this raises a big question for the BBC. In many of those reports on the recent Scarlet Blake it could only be understood by listeners that that person was female without qualification. This therefore endorses the OTHER viewpoint in a highly controversial area.

Or indeed so would any story about a transgender woman where there is no explicit reference to their biological sex.

So that means I assume that the BBC will now uphold all of those complaints where it misled readers/viewers into thinking Scarlet Blake was female

Right? Right BBC?

This is a highly significant findings which cuts both ways surely thanks to your recognition of the need to balance viewpoints for impartiality in a highly controversial area.

Thanks for the precedent, we will now cite this finding in any future complaint to the BBC where stories endorse just one viewpoint in a highly controversial area.

I actually think they have shot themselves in the foot with this.

Oh yes and if you read the fortnightly complaints bulletin for last week you will see the trans breast milk story had the most complaints

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaint-service-reports

The Beeb has lost the plot.

I have yet to get a response to my complaint about their Scarlett Blake reporting, but when I do, this may be useful in my response.

Absolutely.