Are Transwomen male or female? Ask the BBC

[Justme56]

https://pressgazette.co.uk/the-wire/newspaper-corrections-media-mistakes-errors-legal/justin-webb-bbc-today-trans-complaint/

Stating a basic, neutral fact. Gets a complaint upheld.

Ffs.

It seems as if the general public have been exposed to an excess of trans extremism in recent weeks from the male breastfeeding fetish, the John Lewis debacle, the Blake murder, the police recording Blake's crimes as being a woman's crime, the police having to withdraw the ability of transwomen to intimately search women, JKR's interventions after the press relentlessly called Blake she, along with the success of #OperationLetThemSpeak where transactivists say all the quiet bits out loud to a horrified public.
Is this a tipping point? From what I've seen and read, the public are completely fed up with it all. To what extent this translates into a return to sanity supported by government action remains to be seen

I don't think it's linear WhiteVelvet.

The landscape is incredibly different from how it was in say 2015 - changes in prison policy and sport have seen to that, and i even wonder if there is hope that the next census might be less screwed up.

It is noticeable that the extremists are currently trying to pretend that prison policy has always been like it is now. Ha!

Some are still trying to fight the sport battle but I do think it is mainly won - the craven IOC finally shifting from sheer pressure has made the difference. Again the argument now is trying to redraw the lines of what counts as sport (eg parkrun) to limit the spread of the idea that sex actually matters. In that context I can even agree with activists of the other viewpoint that it's pathetic and that really all they are trying to do is avoid wins by males in women's sport being too visible. They're still saying 'elite' rather than 'MALE'.

The complete uselessness of this toxic government who have latched on to this issue as one of the only open goals the next government has given them, means that it is harder to have a discussion about this that is nor a proxy general political discussion. That's made things quite tricky for me. Tbh I'm one of the ones who thinks that Labour's policy shift will be enough. But there's going to be an awful lot more battles to come. The opposition wants to force us to do it case by obviously abusive case while they hold the linguistic and policy ground. Like this.

I believe the public have been fed up for a couple/few years now but I think because there hasn’t been an igniting flame from our side - a really visible public one that they have seen - they just plod on in a state of shell shock, thinking that voting differently will make it all stop (it won’t) or that it will just go away (it isn’t).

I don’t understand why the movement hasn’t rallied in massive numbers. Why we haven’t galvanised the public to join us on the streets yet.

There has definitely been headway made for sure, I read about where the movement was in the early days/years when feminists/women were shut down totally.

Thanks to all their hard work that isn’t the case now. Much of the public are awake and waking up.

I was a prominent voice in The Times comment section for a while and I saw readers waking up. I think, well I hope enough of the public would happily see the movement exercising this on the streets and support us/the movement.

I don’t believe this will be sorted any time soon with the sort of continued letter writing and petitions I was and others were directed to do as resistance. It isn’t enough in my opinion.

This is what I don’t understand.

Being GC is still extremely niche. And it’s dangerous to put your head above the parapet.

When you go onto SM, everyone’s TWAW and #bekind….

Do you think so? I reckon the public are 99% sex realists with the exception of the crazies. We all know what biological sex is, it’s in our cells.

I’m not going back to writing letters, signing petitions, buying merch and funding court cases ad infinitum. I believe we are passed this point now. Something else is needed. This is afterall, the history of the women’s movement. One set thought petitioning the men forever would convince them to give us rights, another set did things differently.

Being GC is still extremely niche

the Vast vast majority of the population are GC ie believe in biological reality. The problem is that it all sounds so utterly batshit that most ppl still struggle to believe it’s real. Putting men in women’s prisons, sports, refuges etc just sounds insane

plus the mangling of language means that a third of people think a TW is a woman who wants to be a man

plus the public burning of the women who have put their head about the parapet means that most women are too afraid to go public. I would certainly fuck my career if I went public for instance

plus of course the country is fucking mad and has been for several years. Most ppl I know are just keeping their heads down & trying to get through each day

Yes - that’s exactly is - the vast majority of the public are • sex realists and GC. So why is everyone so pro trans, and inflicting actual violence on Posie Parker, etc, etc ?

I’m in NZ, by the way - it’s far less OK to be openly GC down here.

I’m in the UK, sorry I forget this forum is international!

The crazy voices get highlighted because they are willing to go out and shout their crazy crap from the rooftops. Our issue is being able to convince enough of the normals to go into public view and do the same.

PP is unbelievable. She has bigger balls than a lot of men.

I don't believe that anyone of sound mind could be shown a photograph of a naked bearded person with cock and balls and pass a lie detector test with the question this person says they are a woman, do you believe this person is a woman.

I think the problem here is most people have been thinking that the whole thing is so insane they it cannot possibly be an actual threat.

It's only now that the awful stories are coming out that those who dismissed it as utter bollocks not to be taken seriously are realising holy fuck, people in power are actually listening to these tra nutters. I just hope enough people wake the fuck up in time for the world to pull back from this lunacy.

There are four lights.

God alive, what is the world coming to? A newscaster says someone with XY chromosomes is a bloke, and gets censured for it.

On the plus side, I didn't pay the bloody BBC my licence fee when it came round for renewal. Neither DH nor I was watching anything iPlayer and we don't have a TV set. For years we'd pay the licence fee out of a sense of duty because we listened a lot to Radio 4, but (apart from islands of sanity) had become drearily predictable. Never mind the wankery which has been infecting the news.

A transwoman has to be male, its literally the definition. If they weren't male then they would be female so just a woman, no need for a longer word. It's not a "personal opinion". This is batshit.

Is it possible to complain to the BBC about this?

Might be worth a shot. They've not got back to me about Scarlet Blake yet.

Honestly, every day I think "are we there yet?".

It is interesting how complaints of bias in one direction are multiple, drag on forever and the BBC seem to be able to infinitely ignore them. But a complaint from the other political view seems to have just winged straight through to action.

This is tax payer funded. To be the mouthpiece of a lobby that want to punish and silence any bits of reality they dislike, and have led to a complaint upheld that a presenter did not edit out facts that this extremist lobby do not like being reminded of when broadcasting to the general public.

What the fuck else are they editing out?

I think the vast majority of the population just don't want to think about it. If anything they're tired of it (aren't we all). They don't like the arguments and the angry voices and people saying they're upset, and wankers like Trump jumping on the bandwagon make a lot of ordinary people decide that if it upsets him it must be a good thing - tbh I sympathise there. And then a teenager died.

I'm on the side I am because I just can't say that a male person is a woman and the girls I know are men. Clearly some people can. If I could, tbh, I probably would.

Oh but the BBC is the Envy Of The World with its high standard of oh god whatever the fuck it is people bang on about when the issue of paying for it as a subscription like netflix and Disney and so on comes up.

So how and who do we complain to about this? I'm so fucked off this week after hearing murderer Blake consistently referred to as she.

So asking this, is transphobic. What if those males where rapists and now want to pretend to be women:

“In the same month, Webb was criticised for asking Liberal Democrats leader Ed Davey if there should “not be spaces where biological males cannot go” in reference to trans women

A good percentage of the population don’t actually know that transwomen are men. They think it’s a woman who is trans. So that qualifier is essential. Better still would be to use the term “men who identify as trans” consistently.

And also, is there some way of specifically supporting Justin Webb for doing his job well?

Definitely Errol.