For women Scotland given leave to appeal.

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Great news. We need to get digging.

Do what you like with them. Just don't feed them after midnight.

Or is that gremlins?

Thanks boiled

And that is gremlins

Some more for you

That's your lot!

Have made an initial donation and hoping to top up when I’ve bought the final items for the bathroom conversion to 2 en-suites.

DH is somewhat reeling because I have a better understanding about the plumbing and building requirements of back-to-wall and wall-hung loos at the moment and fully appreciative of the fact that without me, he would live in a hovel - yet, despite being a stay at home mum with 2 SEN kids (one homeschooled), I have managed to quadruple the value of our home over the last 5-10 years.

For him, women are a superior species, not to be muddled with men (and he’s a global head of finance in a FTSE 100 company, so I think my work is done 🤣). One day our gender confused, autie 18yo will realise her super-powers too.

I want the appeal to go ahead, so go you, I guess?

Thank you for reminding me!

I donated £500 to the Orchid Project, which is a charity supported by Hibo Wardere. It is devoted to ending female genital mutilation.

You can donate here:
https://www.orchidproject.org/get-involved/donate/#donate

Someone give this man a badge for perfect fence straddling!

I won't derail this thread further, but if anyone wants to get the measure of Mr Feminist of The Year here, read this thread from 2021 and make your own mind up.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4170253-Anti-FGM-campaigner-Hibo-Wardere-comes-under-attack

BoiledBeetle

Thanks for all the dinosaurs, I think I have dinosaur fatigue, now!

My daughter just replied QUEST 1: SLAY THE LIONGUARD AND OBTAIN HIS JEWLES to the steam punk one!

That's when Dadjoke lectured us all about the "transphobia" of Hibo Wardere (campaigner for stopping FGM). After a transman with no experience of FGM criticised Hibo, claiming she made them feel 'distressed, invalidated and alienated' because Hibo had the temerity to refer to these girls as "girls".
Dadjoke doubled down and told women on here:
'She's clearly slightly transphobic, yes. She has never said "it's because I don't want to dilute my message that I don't want to include trans men." When she talks about women, she's explicitly referring to biology, as do most posters here - it's trans exclusionary, the very definition of transphobic'

What's that phrase from Maya Angelou "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time..."

It's a great example of how this ideology undermines women's rights to advocate for women and girls using clear sex based language. And a reminder of why this case needs to succeed.

Dadjoke is a misogynistic man, who says he is middle aged and British with children, who has the odd hobby of monitoring the feminist board of a majority female parenting site to push his quasi religious, sexist belief system, which most of the women on the feminist board do not share. He's done it for years. It's like if he went on the Black Mumsnetter section and constantly posted in a gloating way about how they had to include white people in all their advocacy groups. Of course he wouldn't do that, but instead he'd rather support FGM groups his elitist feminist filmmaker friends have told him about, in all their superior wisdom, rather than listen to a black African woman who's actually experienced FGM, because her attitude to his brand of genderist nonsense isn't acceptable.

These self important men are absolutely ten a penny everywhere online, telling women who've been feminists since their teens how to feminist. We see you.

@Ereshkigalangcleg the Orchid Project does work in the ground in countries where FGM is prevalent. Its board and employees include people from countries primarily affected by FGM. I would bet the farm that you are white, so it’s pretty odd that you would criticise me for talking to a white journalist who was on the ground there for months and recommended this charity, which has the support of Wardere - the black African women to whom you refer. You resentment at a donation to such a charity says more about you than me.

This board is almost entirely devoted to attacking a minority group, by a majority group. What you have said is just brazen DARVO.

It really isn't DARVO what I said. Everything you do on here is DARVO. We didn't ask for your self important presumptions about our own movement. Women and girls are a sex class.

And "you are white" means fuck all here, given that you are making a point of listening to white feminists, and talking over actual women, including black women.

It's a great example of how this ideology undermines women's rights to advocate for women and girls using clear sex based language. And a reminder of why this case needs to succeed.

This.

@DadJoke
You realise that many here consider the the surgery involved in "sex reassignment" to be genital mutilation?
The removal of healthy organs chosen purely because of their association with sexual characteristics ( no one ever changes a lung or a liver ), and an attempt to create a fascimile, again through surgery, of the sexual organs of the opposite sex. That is the surgical mutilation of the existing genitals.
I commend you for your donation to an organisation whose goal is to stop female genital mutilation. I am glad that you recognise the female in FGM. I do wonder however if your inconsistency in being against some forms of genital mutilation and for other forms of genital mutilation is evidence of an inconsistent understanding and thought process that might benefit from a serious sit down and deep thought on the matter.

Just an example : a hypothetical young girl in a third world country, full of life and energy. One day she starts at school. The school is religious in nature and part of the teachings is that is it good for young women to undergo traditional FGM. The older girls are on board with this, and as she prgresses through the school she too comes to believe it. When her time comes she willingly undergoes the FGM because she has been conditioned by those around her to believe it is the right thing to do, and she also doesn't want to be the one girl that sticks out from all the others. There's a lot of social pressure to undergo the FGM. All of the women in her family have had FGM.
Is it right for her to undergo the FGM because she undergoes it willingly? I would say no never, what would you say in this case?

And you've literally said that you don't give a shit about women's privacy or dignity nor women's sport because gender should replace sex in law.

So I'm kinda, not really arsed about what you say, cos you really really really don't wish for women to have sex based protections and youve been quite explicit about this.

@RedToothBrush

I really don't know who all these men think they are. Because as I said, it's not just those on FWR. It is a new phenomenon to me, this "more feminist than thou" in men to feminist women. No men gave a shit about feminism in the past, including leftist ones.

And suddenly they are all into this new 'progressive feminism' which includes men and destroys sex based right and protections in the process and reinstates dated harmful gender stereotypes that also harm women?

Funny coincedence isn't it?

Its almost as if this new 'progressive feminism' is actually a trojan horse and is really a Mens Right Movement which is openly sexist and hates women.

100%.

I am really fucking tired of stating that the law states we have sex based rights and we need to be aware of this, only to be told that is irrelevant and that in all situations the feelings and yes, fears of women are not important, that gender and sex are used interchangably and are the sex thing and if you question the lack of balance, impact of assessment involving ALL vested interest parties or even slightly suggest that priority should not be given to trans people at all times this produces the scream of TRRRAAANNNSSSSPPPPHHHOOOBBIIIAAA.

No where in this dialogue are women's rights considerate legitimate never mind worthy of respect. You see it constantly in headlines where women's rights campaigners wanting to uphold THEIR EXISTING RIGHTS are framed as anti-trans.

The whole thing is about women should be subservient to males.

I'm done with it.

I'm done with facilitating it or indulging it. Or it being made out its a party political issue.

Either you think women need and should have sex based rights that don't include penises or you are a sexist wanker who think theres 'a grey area'. No really there isn't because if you do, youve just undermined biological sex in law and the ability of the law to functioning in practice to protect women along the lines of biological sex.

By all means have a gender identity, but understand its quasi religious in nature, no one else should be forced to adhere to it too and have legal protections for it based on something definable and workable thats not at the expense of sex based rights.

Its not about purity spirals or fucking 'politeness'. Its about coherence and workable law.

There is literally nothing to gender identity ideology. It falls down at the slightest scrutiny. I'm glad we are now able to question it in the media somewhat, but as you say it is always framed as "anti trans" as if, instead of safeguarding the rights of women and girls, a group of mean women decided to attack "trans people's" rights for fun, while a full, coherent definition of either "trans" or an explanation of what rights they think they don't have and should is almost never given.

Women have to put up with the most heinous crimes of men being attributed to us and gaslighted about it, such as Scarlet Blake, an MTF who livestreamed the torture and murder of a cat to his partner (also MTF) and then murdered a strange man he met in the street, these men are both called "women" in certain media outlets, with some grudging additions later of the word "transgender" which is obfuscatory and confusing.

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/5014437-to-be-angry-that-scarlet-blake-is-being-called-a-woman

I am really fucking tired of stating that the law states we have sex based rights and we need to be aware of this, only to be told that is irrelevant and that in all situations the feelings and yes, fears of women are not important, that gender and sex are used interchangably and are the sex thing and if you question the lack of balance, impact of assessment involving ALL vested interest parties or even slightly suggest that priority should not be given to trans people at all times this produces the scream of TRRRAAANNNSSSSPPPPHHHOOOBBIIIAAA.

And this. Bang on 🎯