Does anyone actually fully support trans people in women's changing rooms and loos?

[bottomsup12]

Just curious really? I see a lot of aggressive stances (Owen Jones eg) pro this on twitter etc. I don't get it.
The only reason I can think of is that it's never actually happened to them and they imagine it will be fine but when it actually happens a few times they might start seeing sense?

For the men who are aggressively pro it I wonder how they would feel is women just started flooding into their changing rooms and bathrooms ?

Yes, I'm really sick of some people using black people and people of colour as a comparator when it suits them.

Make your case for or against the issue based on the merits of your argument. Don't 'other' another set of people to do that.
How can people not see this is racist.

Black history is not yours to co-opt.

That race analogy is SO unbelievably offensive to black women. Why do people think it’s OK to say this stuff?

Here is an explanation of the problem. https://4w.pub/black-women-are-women-men-are-not/amp/

So, we are pages on and not one shred of evidence.

Yet more false and offensive equivalences, and more emotional manipulation.

Based on what? Based on being kind when the only evidence that we have available shows that this group has NO reduction in risk for safeguarding purposes.

Yet, people continue to maintain that they are kind. Kind ? Hardly kind to women and girls.

It is tricky though because I can completely understand why some women don't want trans women in changing room and loos.

But at the same time, I also don't think it is safe for trans women to use male facilities.

Maybe the solution is to have a third option with a gender neutral facilities alongside the usual male and female ones with the understand that the expectation is for trans/non binary people to use that as a safe space.

Of course this would mean a lot of hassle for venues and also some people would be unhappy about it but If I remember correctly I went to Tate Britain and noticed they had gender neutral, men and women's loos which I thought was cool.

My last two workplaces have been small offices and only have/had gender neutral loos and it always made me and is making me feel very uncomfortable. One of the reasons why I prefer working from home than going into my current office: I don't feel safe using the toilets there...

Women have been suggesting this for over a decade. It was rejected and is still rejected by some male people. Some male people have told us on this board that they will continue to use the female single sex spaces and no one will stop them.

It seems that it is not about safety.

And when you then consider the safety aspect, the logic doesn't stack up. What other male sub group should come into female single sex spaces for their safety? There are plenty who could use the exact argument that these male trans people use. Should gay men be allowed? Should elderly frail men be allowed? Should teens and men of particular race or religion be allowed? If not, why not?

Then if there is this issue, why has there not been a campaign to make the male spaces safer for all male people? Surely as we are told that not all transitioned male people are using female single sex toilets, they are using male toilets without issue? Something is not really adding up here.

If it is about safety, then the support groups for those male people need to step up and start that campaign!

Fuck me - are posters still trying to make comparisons between denying a biological man access to womens space as and the oppression suffered by black people during granted still ongoing segregation?

Do people not see how offensive this is?

Here's a reason not to be www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/amp/

Lol

Yes as well

Sorry. Was loling at my post getting zapped not girls getting assaulted in the women's loos!

The post deletions are like that game where you shout "warmer, warmer, warmer" at people trying to find a hidden object. The faster it is zapped the more on the money you were.

I missed it. What did you post? (In an unzappable way)

You mean "Yes but I'm going to provide fuck-all evidence, reasoning or justification for that"

‘PP82 · Today 10:57
I'm sure lots of white women in the southern States of the USA in the 50s and 60s weren't comfortable sharing facilities with African American women. Should they have been pandered to, or did they in fact just need to get over it?

PP82 · Today 09:11
I'm what you might call 'aggressively pro.'

I've been sexually assaulted in women's toilets by cis men who didn't bother to 'dress up' as women, they just opened the door and got on with it. I'm under no illusion that 'single sex spaces' are a guarantee of safety.

I've shared toilets and changing rooms with trans women and been perfectly comfortable. No reason not to be.’

PP82 demonstrating how forming coherent conclusions from all available information, is difficult for some.

Alternatively PP82 demonstrating how to purposefully ignore and misinterpret all available information, in an inevitably doomed attempt to pervert the course of truth.

Just a little snark about the special reasons that third spaces will not do.

It may have been my description words for people or specifying the special reasons that got the zap. It may have just been that the level of sarcasm was too high and set off an alarm.

There is def at least one moderator who goes beyond the normal rules. So sometimes posts that would otherwise stand are deleted.

From what I gather listening to GC men, a lot of them actually do mind women in their single sex spaces. While there is no or little danger to them, all of a sudden they feel they have to change their behaviour and begin to accommodate. Just like women, men want to have time apart in their own space just to be. I don’t think in a sexist way but just be.

What a surprise. Not.

10 pages and no rational justification that we can consider, just “what about the poor TW” and name calling of women who want single sex spaces to remain so.

Black women are women. White women are women. Trans women are women. Nothing racist about that. Some trans women have penises. Good thing sex is irrelevant. Biology, biology, biology yawn. It's 2024. We've found ways around the limitations of our biology in all sorts of ways. Going on about it is just regressive and boring.

Oh. Have we "found ways around" 98% of sexual assaults being perpetrated by males?

That was the case long before trans people were allowed to use the correct facilities for their gender and would continue to be the case were they banned from doing so.

Also, "tranz womenz are womenzzzzzz" is also fucking boring 😴

In what fucking way?
What is a women?
Someone answer the fucking question because waiting for fucking years to see a decent answer that explains propely why some male people are women?.... you guessed it zzzzzzzzzzzzzz booooooooorrrrriiiiiiinnnng!

Trans women are men otherwise they’d just be women wouldnt they?

and do tell about how we’ve found our way around the limitations of biology

I’m struggling with the menopause even though I take HRT. Is there a way around my pesky female biology?

What are you on?

Sorry, at what idealised time in the past was this not the case?