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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sunak telling Robin White that biological sex is important live on GB news

805 replies

fromorbit · 12/02/2024 21:09

'Particularly when it comes to questions around women's safety and health, biological sex is important.' Parents need to be involved in schools.

Rishi Sunak is asked 'why should LGBT people vote Conservative?'
GB News forum footage here:
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

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Boiledbeetle · 13/02/2024 17:40

dapsnotplimsolls · 13/02/2024 17:36

Crikey, deletions everywhere! Should we expect the rozzers again? Will they wait until after we've had our pancakes?

It depends... How does your pancake identify?

Sunak telling Robin White that biological sex is important live on GB news
dapsnotplimsolls · 13/02/2024 17:42

Pangender obvs.

Chersfrozenface · 13/02/2024 17:47

dapsnotplimsolls · 13/02/2024 17:42

Pangender obvs.

Badoom tish!

Boiledbeetle · 13/02/2024 17:51

dapsnotplimsolls · 13/02/2024 17:42

Pangender obvs.

Gold Star GIF by Christine Gritmon

Niiice!

TeenDivided · 13/02/2024 18:00

Combattingthemoaners · 13/02/2024 16:52

Why as soon as trans rights are mentioned are schools mentioned in the same breath? Do people honestly believe schools are pushing children into changing gender? I’m too busy planning lessons, marking books, entering data etc to even think about gender as an issue.

Your school might well be acting sensibly.

But it does appear a significant minority have been over stepping the mark, ignoring basic safeguarding, and facilitating the social transition of pupils without their parents knowledge, including in some cases enabling gender confused boys to change with girls etc.

Toseland · 13/02/2024 18:00

Datun · Today 14:26

There's a satisfying irony to this.

Transactactivists deliberately hitched their wagon to the LGB train. They hide behind the LGB in order to legitimise their position by using LGB cred.

There's something rather wonderful about Sunak taking them at their word, to the extent where they have to hurriedly unhitch themselves, lest they actually get the obscurity they wanted.

😁
.....

Thanks for putting this into words better than me - I saw this too - clever and so funny - my estimation of Rishi and his team improved just on this.

EdithStourton · 13/02/2024 18:05

Oooh, I got me a deletion for speaking biological truth.
<waves at Robin>

The thing is, someone with a penis can wear dresses and necklaces all he likes, that will not make him a woman. Never mind the biology, just the experience of growing up and living in a female body.

By age 18:
Menstruation, with all its joys: cramps so bad you can't function, your period starting when you weren't expecting it, flooding and getting blood on your clothes somewhere inconvenient (school, in my case)
Being wolf-whistled, cat-called and sexually assaulted (I'd been sexually assaulted twice by the time I was 18, thrice if you count the sleazy bloke who flashed a friend and me as we walked to the school bus)

Then:
Pregnancy: the inconvenience, discomfort, sickness, birth injuries
Miscarriage: bleeding so much you think you might die
Breastfeeding: blocked ducts, mastitis, sore nipples

After that
The menopause! Hot flushes, more big changes to your body, brain fog, random aches and pains.

And through all of that
Gynae exams - the jolly old cervical smear
Being told your smear looks dodgy so have some more investigations - possibly very painful ones

So yeah, a man can dress like a woman.
But he's never had any of those experiences.

And every deletion I get for stating facts just makes me more irritated about this whole bloody farrago - never mind the safeguarding issues and the sports issues.

Helleofabore · 13/02/2024 18:07

Combattingthemoaners · 13/02/2024 16:52

Why as soon as trans rights are mentioned are schools mentioned in the same breath? Do people honestly believe schools are pushing children into changing gender? I’m too busy planning lessons, marking books, entering data etc to even think about gender as an issue.

I have two sets of parents who have daughters where the social changed or tried to change the daughter's school records when the parents had no idea there daughters had adopted trans identities. So, actually, in answer to whether we 'honestly believe schools are pushing children into changing gender', yes.

EdithStourton · 13/02/2024 18:08

Oh, and I forgot the patronising male twattery. I had a dose of that at the weekend.

CriticalCondition · 13/02/2024 18:26

EdithStourton · 13/02/2024 18:05

Oooh, I got me a deletion for speaking biological truth.
<waves at Robin>

The thing is, someone with a penis can wear dresses and necklaces all he likes, that will not make him a woman. Never mind the biology, just the experience of growing up and living in a female body.

By age 18:
Menstruation, with all its joys: cramps so bad you can't function, your period starting when you weren't expecting it, flooding and getting blood on your clothes somewhere inconvenient (school, in my case)
Being wolf-whistled, cat-called and sexually assaulted (I'd been sexually assaulted twice by the time I was 18, thrice if you count the sleazy bloke who flashed a friend and me as we walked to the school bus)

Then:
Pregnancy: the inconvenience, discomfort, sickness, birth injuries
Miscarriage: bleeding so much you think you might die
Breastfeeding: blocked ducts, mastitis, sore nipples

After that
The menopause! Hot flushes, more big changes to your body, brain fog, random aches and pains.

And through all of that
Gynae exams - the jolly old cervical smear
Being told your smear looks dodgy so have some more investigations - possibly very painful ones

So yeah, a man can dress like a woman.
But he's never had any of those experiences.

And every deletion I get for stating facts just makes me more irritated about this whole bloody farrago - never mind the safeguarding issues and the sports issues.

Yup. All of that. All of it.

And I'd like to add to the list

mammograms (for any man reading this let me explain that means breasts being painfully squeezed as tightly as possible between two giant metal plates, first one way, then the other)

groping and frottage on the tube

I'm sure there are more but I'm making pancakes now.

Froodwithatowel · 13/02/2024 18:44

And every deletion I get for stating facts just makes me more irritated about this whole bloody farrago - never mind the safeguarding issues and the sports issues.

Quite.

It's a matter of consent. I don't consent. <shrug>

LarkLane · 13/02/2024 18:47

Peskysquirrel · 13/02/2024 17:12

And yet some remain!
It's like hunt the thimble! The poster with the last remaining male pronoun gets a prize!

Edited
Simpsons Lisa GIF by FOX International Channels

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JanesLittleGirl · 13/02/2024 19:03

I'm guessing that walking up stairs as a woman involves lifting up your skirt and petticoats so that you can see where you're putting your feet and avoiding tripping over the bloody hems.

Horrible memories of my prom dress and my wedding dress.

catduckgoose · 13/02/2024 19:11

Boiledbeetle · 13/02/2024 17:08

And so it came to pass.

Someone must have finished work for the day!

Waves to the lurkers

To be honest I only posted that comment to see if it would be deleted.

(It was "I wonder what sort of response ██ expected from Sunak" if anyone didn't catch it. A completely innocuous sentence, but with the horror of a ~forbidden~ pronoun!)

Topofthemountain · 13/02/2024 19:13

JanesLittleGirl · 13/02/2024 19:03

I'm guessing that walking up stairs as a woman involves lifting up your skirt and petticoats so that you can see where you're putting your feet and avoiding tripping over the bloody hems.

Horrible memories of my prom dress and my wedding dress.

I have to lift my trousers up.

Damn these short legs.

I can't woman properly and I'm pretty bad at man too.

EasternStandard · 13/02/2024 19:13

I can’t believe we’ve created this outcome and it’s just accepted

It’s Orwellian

We as in society. They as in creators of GRA

CriticalCondition · 13/02/2024 19:15

From the pictures I've seen this particular individual favours a skirt above the knee. No trippy hems involved.

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WickedSerious · 13/02/2024 19:23

CriticalCondition · 13/02/2024 19:15

From the pictures I've seen this particular individual favours a skirt above the knee. No trippy hems involved.

Eeeeew.

fromorbit · 13/02/2024 19:36

Datun · 13/02/2024 12:35

No good can ever come with associating yourself with this type of people or tv channel.

Lol. Tell that to Robin White.

Although it's interesting now, as no debate grinds to a halt, exactly where trans activists have to go to counter the narrative they don't like.

As more and more people platform women and women's views, they're having to trot along there in order to criticise them.

Maybe we'll finally see some left-wing places platform the conversation as a result.

Well they better get a move on... doesn't get much more left wing than a Morning Star conference and the TRA were notable by their absence. :
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5006439-helen-oconnor-defends-womens-rights-at-morning-star-conference?reply=133002557

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5006439-helen-oconnor-defends-womens-rights-at-morning-star-conference?reply=133002557

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Chersfrozenface · 13/02/2024 19:47

fromorbit · 13/02/2024 19:36

Well they better get a move on... doesn't get much more left wing than a Morning Star conference and the TRA were notable by their absence. :
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5006439-helen-oconnor-defends-womens-rights-at-morning-star-conference?reply=133002557

Communist Party of Britain - wrong kind of left wing.

Datdamndamp · 13/02/2024 19:50

CriticalCondition · 13/02/2024 18:26

Yup. All of that. All of it.

And I'd like to add to the list

mammograms (for any man reading this let me explain that means breasts being painfully squeezed as tightly as possible between two giant metal plates, first one way, then the other)

groping and frottage on the tube

I'm sure there are more but I'm making pancakes now.

I've got my first routine mammogram tomorrow, thanks for this reminder that much of female biology is an annoying and painful hindrance. Happy Valentine's to me.😁

And yet, I breastfed my daughter and it was bloody painful (literally) and incredible and it put paid forever to a lingering dislike and discomfort with my breasts that I'd had since my teens.

Boiledbeetle · 13/02/2024 19:57

Datdamndamp · 13/02/2024 19:50

I've got my first routine mammogram tomorrow, thanks for this reminder that much of female biology is an annoying and painful hindrance. Happy Valentine's to me.😁

And yet, I breastfed my daughter and it was bloody painful (literally) and incredible and it put paid forever to a lingering dislike and discomfort with my breasts that I'd had since my teens.

Welcome to your fifties! (Of course depending on where you are you could be 53 by now).

I ended up with a return visit a few weeks later and a titanium marker being fired into my boob!

Such fun!

EdithStourton · 13/02/2024 20:00

@fromorbit
@CriticalCondition I'd forgotten the bloody mammograms.
Still haunted by the uterine investigations I had in the spring, which left me with cramps for weeks afterwards.

Never mind twatman last weekend, treating me like his brainless inferior.

Can't delete fromorbit, was a typo, sorry.

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